Is Base Boys >>> 18 possible?

[GSM123]

I mean, they were unable to win hand to hand even as Super Saiyans... Does anything contradicts the boys being miles above her in base?

 

[SSJ2]

The Daizenshuu says they're equal. Outside that, nothing really does, but you'd have to argue the Mighty Mask suit was holding them back that much that they needed to use a suppressed SSJ blast to settle the fight.

 

[Pocket-God]

Simple answer. No.

 

[GSM123]

The Daizenshuu says they're equal. Outside that, nothing really does, but you'd have to argue the Mighty Mask suit was holding them back that much that they needed to use a suppressed SSJ blast to settle the fight.

The Daizenshuu said they fought evenly, not that they were equals. The suit was holding them back as Trunks admited so, so it doesn't means much.

The suit indeed held back the hell out of them, as they needed a blast despite being CG Goku level individually.

 

[SSJ2]

 

[SSJ2]

Stated, so it's fact.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

To be fair "demonstrating strength on par with #18" would apply to them being limited by the disguise in that context.

As for the OP, I'd say no. Whilst I don't disagree with the notion of the base Kids being above #18 when not restricted by the suit, placing them in another league seems like a huge stretch.

I mean, they were unable to win hand to hand even as Super Saiyans... Does anything contradicts the boys being miles above her in base?

They never fought hand to hand in the manga. After going SSJ, they shot the Ki blast, #18 immediately used the Kienzan after dodging and the pair were immediately disqualified.

 

[GSM123]

They never fought hand to hand in the manga. After going SSJ, they shot the Ki blast, #18 immediately used the Kienzan after dodging and the pair were immediately disqualified.

That's actually because of Trunks saying they were still at disvantage and deciding to fire a ki blast.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I think it's most likely that Trunks was overestimating #18 based on the story he heard about her previously being stronger than his dad. Either that, or Trunks may have been concerned at their disguise becoming ripped by moving with such an increase in power and the poor teamwork the boys had. Makes more sense than the idea of a 50x boost not changing a thing when they could already stalemate #18 in base, which would be ludicrous even by Boo Arc logic standards.

 

[GSM123]

Yeah, i'm aware of that, and i lean towards the later option. The question is: Can this justify the boys being >>> #18 in base as well?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I could see it justifying them being superior to #18, but not to the extent of being leagues above her. The costume restricting their movements shouldn't reduce the power of their punches as well and they obviously weren't holding back if they saw SSJ as an option. Not only that, but if the costume were truly that restrictive, they'd have implemented their long range strategy in just their base form, at least as an initial plan.

 

[ahill1]

I could see it justifying them being superior to #18, but not to the extent of being leagues above her. The costume restricting their movements shouldn't reduce the power of their punches as well and they obviously weren't holding back if they saw SSJ as an option. Not only that, but if the costume were truly that restrictive, they'd have implemented their long range strategy in just their base form, at least as an initial plan.

It always seemed rather weird to me how Trunks still thought they were at a disadvantage against #18 in SSJ despite the costume not preventing them from throwing a punch and engaging somewhat in a hand to hand combat against #18... Trunks knew he could throw a punch and still move -- even if not as well as when not 'handicapped' -- and yet they had no option other than a chi blast despite a hand wave from Jackie Chun in the 21st Budokai being already enough to knock Yamcha out despite the difference being at most of a few times? Some people use this to argue that the kids in SSJ aren't THAT above #18, and even though I do agree that the sparring session showed Goten to be relatively close to his big brother and apparently had him on the ropes, I sometimes find that instance hard to argue against, because the costume still was obviously not too damning to their movements when they were in base form...

 

[GSM123]

Only a true kids nerfer would argue the suit's restrictions were minimal.

 

[ahill1]

Only a true kids nerfer would argue the suit's restrictions were minimal.

Didn't you just say you agree with the "moving while in SSJ was too much for them because the suit could be ripped off"? That means you are also not advocating for the suit being an unbelieavable nerfing tool, otherwise why not argue the suit would hold them back THAT much that not even after turning into SSJs they would still be at upper hand?

 

[GSM123]

I said that?

 

[GSM123]

Oh yeah, i said that to CC. Fucking Alzheimer.

 

[ahill1]

Well, you said you lean towards the latter option presented by CC.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, lol.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

That was a gag fight. Don't try to make anything out of it. Just place Base Boys anywhere you feel like.

 

[GSM123]

What's funny on the fight that classifies it as gag?