Ki Sensing

[SSJ2]

I want to know your guys' thoughts on this subject. I've been reading the Cell arc, and it becomes noticeable that the Z Senshi don't suppress their power while at Kami's lookout? How does Goku know how strong Piccolo and Vegeta were post RoSaT? He even told Vegeta he had much room for improvement.. so how? Why would they be displaying their true powers?

Another example is Goku/Karin both seeming to know Cell > SSJ Goku? Again, how do they know this stuff? I find ki sensing to be a bizarre subject in general.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

When it comes to Piccolo, I think he was emitting enough power in his relaxes state to give Goku an idea of what he could be capable of once he started fighting. So his normal power was much higher than it was when Goku last saw him. When it comes to Vegeta, I think that was more along the lines of Goku being confident he was the stronger of the two. Goku knew he was able to take Super Saiyan to the limits, unlike Vegeta, who only was able to reach the Super Saiyan Grade form. If he's actually going by Base Vegeta, Goku would've known how much he progressed in comparison to Vegeta who would be no different than he was since exiting the rosat.

Karin just seemed to compare 50% Goku to an estimation he had of Cell since he said there'll be no way to really tell how they compare until the actual fight starts. Roshi was able to realize Goku had nothing left in the tank compared to Cell just by watching and sensing the battle. Everyone else aside from Vegeta seemed to think it was a close battle.

 

[SSJ2]

Very nice post.

So let me ask you on your thoughts on resting vs fighting ki. Do you think this is a set increase when one goes from resting power to fighting power? Goku seemed to understand Piccolo's power, and I doubt he was actually at 100% as we both agree.

Also does Goku know Vegeta had the Grade form?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Thanks fam. This is a really good question that I never thought about before.

I'd say that's a good possibility. The thing with Piccolo is he has no transformations, so it gets a bit tricky assuming there's a set increase for him. We've seen him go from a resting level that #20 thought had a lot of energy...to Piccolo fighting at a level that only seems possible for a Super Saiyan. When it comes to Saiyans, I think it's a bit more simple because the transformations seem to yield a consistent boost in most instances.

Back to Piccolo, I tend to look at it from this standpoint: Goku took a look at Cell up close and had a feeling that he wouldn't be enough to beat Cell. This was reaffirmed by Karin. Piccolo, though powered-up, wasn't at a level where Goku would have a reason to believe he surpassed himself. Knowing that Piccolo wouldn't come close to his full-power, he'd already have enough information to disregard Piccolo's power altogether for the Cell Games.

If I had to use numbers, maybe something like this: Pre-Rosat Piccolo 40-->Post-Rosat Piccolo 80. When he'd get serious and fight, Piccolo would probably jump to 120 or so. So while it's still guesswork, Goku's perception alone would be enough for him to reach the conclusion that Piccolo was improved, but not enough to make a difference in the tournament.

Trunks revealed that Vegeta surpassed Super Saiyan in two months, so despite not seeing it, he knew that Vegeta had the form. Once Goku acquired both forms himself, he knew that becoming a Super Saiyan and maximizing the power of the form to eliminate its weaknesses would make him much more powerful and effective in battle. This is the main reason why I believe Goku could accurately gauge Vegeta. Vegeta quickly realized that Goku and Gohan's way of utilizing Super Saiyan was more efficient for battle. Spending time sparring with the kid who went on to become the most powerful Super Saiyan also helped.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

They seem so adept at Ki-sensing and the like that they seem to be able to even estimate latent-power (or suppressed power, whatever you want to call it) some-what accurately. After-all even Captain-Ginyu who couldn't sense Ki, only control his, was able to roughly estimate Goku's power rather well and Freeza too for that matter.

 

[GSM123]

has blessed them with the knowledge of the narrator.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

They seem so adept at Ki-sensing and the like that they seem to be able to even estimate latent-power (or suppressed power, whatever you want to call it) some-what accurately. After-all even Captain-Ginyu who couldn't sense Ki, only control his, was able to roughly estimate Goku's power rather well and Freeza too for that matter.

Even though all later villains (Even Frieza in Super) ki sense they never get as good at it as Goku. Dabura and Babidi were about as bad as if you remember.

 

[Papasmurf]

They seem so adept at Ki-sensing and the like that they seem to be able to even estimate latent-power (or suppressed power, whatever you want to call it) some-what accurately. After-all even Captain-Ginyu who couldn't sense Ki, only control his, was able to roughly estimate Goku's power rather well and Freeza too for that matter.

Even though all later villains (Even Frieza in Super) ki sense they never get as good at it as Goku. Dabura and Babidi were about as bad as if you remember.

Why don't we have a Babidi emote?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

They seem so adept at Ki-sensing and the like that they seem to be able to even estimate latent-power (or suppressed power, whatever you want to call it) some-what accurately. After-all even Captain-Ginyu who couldn't sense Ki, only control his, was able to roughly estimate Goku's power rather well and Freeza too for that matter.

Even though all later villains (Even Frieza in Super) ki sense they never get as good at it as Goku. Dabura and Babidi were about as bad as if you remember.

Why don't we have a Babidi emote?