M10 Gohan vs MSSJ Goku

[Southern Gothic]

Movie 10 Gohan who fought Broly vs Cell Games MSSJ Goku. Who wins?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Gohan probably takes this without even transforming. In the Movie he fights evenly with SSJ Broly and then admits he’s “As much of a monster as ever”, implying he’s as strong as his Movie 8 self. That same Movie 8 Broly was smacking Goku and everyone else around like paper.

 

[SSJ2]

I actually think Gohan could be stronger than his Cell Games self in M10. He makes it sound as though he had continued his training in this alternate timeline.

 

[Pakl]

This thing again? Sigh

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I actually think Gohan could be stronger than his Cell Games self in M10. He makes it sound as though he had continued his training in this alternate timeline.

I had my doubts about whether or not Gohan kept training as well. I mean simply achieving SSJ2 in the Cell Games post M8 could already be considered a power up already, but him outperforming the SSJ boys in base sounds like he trained nonetheless.

 

[Pakl]

I actually think Gohan could be stronger than his Cell Games self in M10. He makes it sound as though he had continued his training in this alternate timeline.

I had my doubts about whether or not Gohan kept training as well. I mean simply achieving SSJ2 in the Cell Games post M8 could already be considered a power up already, but him outperforming the SSJ boys in base sounds like he trained nonetheless.

And later in the beam struggle, Goten evened out the the beam struggle to stand still. Gohan ststing he powered up is true because in movie 8 he is in par with SSjinG 2 Trunks.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Which form is Gohan limited to here? Base or SSJ I imagine? I wouldn't say Gohan ought to be any stronger than his Boo Arc self when considering his Movie 8 self is the one fighter in the film definitely portrayed as far weaker than his Cell Game incarnation and perhaps the weakest of the main 5 in the film, so even being on his Boo Arc level would constitute powering up considerably. Gohan's performance here can be chalked up to typical base Saiyan fight scenes like his fight with Dabura in the anime that would occur soon after the film or how Base Galu evaded SSJ Broly in the previous Broly film for a while and even scratched him iirc whereas SSJ Vegeta's attacks had little effect on him. That said, Goku probably wins with extreme-diff through superior skill.

 

[Void]

M10 Gohan = Boo Arc Gohan so if he's using Super Saiyan then I think his rusty ass loses a close fight to Galu.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'll at least throw Gohan a bone and say his skills likely aren't rusty when considering his performance and strategies during the fight compared to his incompetency against Dabura. Still, Goku is far more skilled in martial arts and has better techniques than any version of Gohan, so it would be a losing battle for Gohan regardless if the gap in power wasn't great enough.

 

[Void]

I'll at least throw Gohan a bone and say his skills likely aren't rusty when considering his performance and strategies during the fight compared to his incompetency against Dabura. Still, Goku is far more skilled in martial arts and has better techniques than any version of Gohan, so it would be a losing battle for Gohan regardless if the gap in power wasn't great enough.

That fair, but Broly isn't exactly an opponent that requires too much critical thinking to fight.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Having an actual plan + being able to skilfully kick yourself out of his grab >> Falling for a Zanzoken and almost being spat on like a chump at least.

 

[Void]

He needed Videl's OP crystal throw to get out of that hold though!













Fucking shit ass movie.

 

[Southern Gothic]

He needed Videl's OP crystal throw to get out of that hold though!













Fucking shit ass movie.

That throw was on point and very accurate, sempai.

 

[Pakl]

Gohan was fighting vs Dabura in base too. You can say Dabura was suppressed but his punches still hurt Dabura even before Dabura powered up.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

You can say Dabura was suppressed but his punches still hurt Dabura even before Dabura powered up.

Whilst Dabura was suppressed in the anime (as evident from Trunks noting his Ki increased when powering up against Boo), it would actually make less sense for him to be suppressed to a level lower than what he was at when Goku confirmed him as equal to Cell, considering he heightened his Ki through meditation prior to fighting Gohan in the anime and he wanted to punish Gohan for being arrogant enough to face him alone. All that said, I'd agree that there's really no way to interpret that as typical Toei plot armouring of the Base Saiyans, with the same likely applying to Gohan's Movie 10 self.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Base Gohan vs SSJ Broly actually seemed more relevant than your average Base Saiyan fight. Gohan doesn’t just get stomped or has a pointless warm up like his fight with Dabra or Base Goku vs Janemba. They actually do go toe to toe and Gohan not only does much better than the kids but can even tell how much better Broly has become now.

Though as Paladin pointed out it’s not that hard to outsmart Broly’s dumb ass and Gohan’s advantage might have been skill based.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's worth noting though that, as I said, that can also be applied to Base Goku's fight with SSJ Broly in Movie 8, with him doing better than SSJ Vegeta did. It's also worth noting that anime filler seems to present either the kids as far weaker than they should be or Base Gohan as far stronger than he should be, with there being a filler scene where he goes toe-to-toe with SSJ Goten before going SSJ.

 

[SSJ2]

It's worth noting that Mr. Popo was far stronger than the SSJ kids.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's worth noting that Mr. Popo was far stronger than the SSJ kids.

Lord Popo is far above Zen-Oh tier, so this is irrelevant.

Seriously though, even though Popo got Toei haxed, he still got knocked on his ass when fighting SSJ Goten 1 on 1.

 

[Papasmurf]

Why the hell wasn't Popo chosen for the ToP?