Masenko vs. Kikoho

[Diamond Ryan]

In the Saiyan battle, which blast was stronger?

 

[Future Warrior]

Masenko is more powerful in my opinion. Nappa received 0 damage from the Kikoho, which only caught him by surprise. Gohan's Masenko was at least able to hurt Nappa's arm, and the way Gohan's bp of 2,800 reading was showcased seems to imply that's the greatest power that's been seen from the Z Senshi.

 

[SSJ2]

Dawg, I doubt you think it's the Kikoho, but what can you even say to back it up? Nappa reacts to the 2,800 like "2,800 huh?" then clearly gets ready to punch it and uses a fuck ton of effort.

 

[Jerk Store]

A fresh, healthy Tien Kikoho probably woulda damaged Nappa, but by the time that nigga used it he lost an arm, was beaten to shit, that Kikoho was weak ass.

Kikoho, because of its crazy concentration, was maybe 2,000 tops, and that's being generous. I don't think the Kikoho's concentration rate increased THAT much until the shin variation.

 

[SSJ2]

Wtf even makes the Neo Kikoho so much stronger than the regular one? They both drain life force and seem to have similar properties, so how does Ten go from not being able to do damage to Nappa to holding down the mein man Semi Cell.

 

[Jerk Store]

It's fuckin plot device but because us nerds need to explain shit in universe, it's because he took attributes of King Kai's training (presumably properties of Kaioken type shit, but..... Not Kaioken? wtf....) added to his Kikoho. I guess he said something in the manga or whatever that implies that, I don't fuckin remember. Lol

 

[SSJ2]

That explanation is legit. I never thought about Kaioken, which he should have been able to at least figure out in the yuge amount of time on Kaio's.

 

[Jerk Store]

Yeah, but I don't buy that he or anyone else besides Goku ever actually used full on Kaioken in battle like some people think. I know it wasn't a big deal for Goku to use anymore, and he didnt say Kaioken when it was revealed he was already using it on Freeza for a little bit, but you'd think that if Piccolo or any of the humans learned it and used it they woulda at least mentioned it flat out, whether they showed the red aura and shit or not.

But taking properties of maybe a basic understanding of how Kaioken works, and applying it to Kikoho alone, I guess?

Still doesn't make much sense, but I'll bite, sure!

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Kikoho>Massenko

 

[Six Trails]

What's a Massenko?

 

[Pyro]

What's a Massenko?

It's a Masenko with more mass, meaning more force, meaning it'll hurt a lot more.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Logically, it makes sense for the Masenko to be more powerful.

But when going by Nappa and Vegeta's reaction, the Kikoho looked more dangerous. Likely because he was off-guard, but still. Had Tien been at full-power, Kikoho would've clearly been the more powerful technique.