Minimum PLs for Saiyan Saga Humans/Piccolo

[Diamond Ryan]

What is the minimum power level that you guys would put for the Saiyan Saga humans and Piccolo. Could Piccolo realistically be put below 2k here?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Yamcha: 1.350
Krillin: 1.600
Tenshinhan: 1.750
Piccolo: 2.000
Gohan: 1.400
Gohan (enraged): 2.100

 

[SSJ2]

I don't think Piccolo is below 2k. His performance against the Saibaman was enough for everyone to think of him as the top guy by a decent bit. His blast to Nappa's back while already incredibly injured pissed off Nappa more than Chaozu's explosion even did.

 

[ahill1]

Saibaimen 1,200
Yamcha 1,300
Kuririn 1,400
Tenshinhan 1,500
Piccolo 2,000

I'd honestly use that if we didn't know weighted Kuririn's power level on Namek was 1,500.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Saibaimen 1,200
Yamcha 1,300
Kuririn 1,400
Tenshinhan 1,500
Piccolo 2,000

I'd honestly use that if we didn't know weighted Kuririn's power level on Namek was 1,500.

We can just ignore it.

 

[Void]

Why can we ignore Krillin's PL being around 1,500 when he gets to Namek?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Why can we ignore Krillin's PL being around 1,500 when he gets to Namek?

No, i mean ignore the statement about the weighted shirt.

 

[ahill1]

It's not a statement. It was shown he taking off the weighted clothes before going to the Namek's village.

 

[p123]

What's the deal with that again?

Gohan/Weighted Krillen are ~ 1,500 correct?

And then clearly removing the weights would ramp up Krillen's power?

Krillen could have grown in power while on the ship training, but we don't like that much. How long was the trip for? A couple months right?

I discard AT's numbers easily but that's what I would go with too Ahill...


Saibamen 1,200
Yamcha 1,300
Krillen 1,400
Tien 1,500
Piccolo 2,000

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, but then we'd have weighted Kuririn at Namek at Tenshinhan's power, while I'd put UNWEIGHTED Kuririn at most at Ten's power level vs Nappa.

I'd also probably bump Yamcha to 1,320. A 1.1x advantage over the Sainaimens looks better. How do you see Yamcha vs Saibaimen?

 

[p123]

I don't think Yamcha is that much superior. What showcased him to be really that much superior? The after image, super speed KHH combo? The KHH couldn't even completely finish the Saibaman.

 

[ahill1]

The KMHMH was also quick charged. Here's the fight:

Spoiler

Which was this gap?

 

[p123]

I think this is more of a tactical issue. Yamcha is clearly using all of his effort here and so is the Saibaman. The Saibaman makes a tactical error, Yamcha capitalizes and that's that. Nothing about there hand to hand suggests that Yamcha is superior at all imo.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

There's also Yamcha wanting to take all Saibaimen by himself, but it's up to debate whether he meant all at once or one after another.

 

[p123]

Of course he means one by one. Nothing in the fight suggests he can handle all of them by himself, I think the Saibamen are not nearly as skilled as Yamcha and he can easily out skill them even though they are on par with him. That's my interpretation.

 

[ahill1]

It's somewhat of a trick situation. Yamcha seems to be using full effort in a hand to hand combat, but the fight is quickly "decided" after it, and Yamcha exerts confidence in taking the rest of the gang. The Saibaimen also went with self destruction, implying it was his only way out and that he would have no chance in a hand to hand combat.

 

[p123]

1) As I said, it could be a tactical issue. Yamcha is able to easily outmaneuver the Saibaman very quickly to land what he feels is a finishing blow. He could rinse and repeat that several times without much problem.

2) A Kamehameha is supposed to conclude a fight. It is supposed to incapacitate the opponent or at least weaken him enough to the point he can no longer be competitive. To think the Saibaman was at full power is foolish. He is greatly damaged.

 

[ahill1]

So what is Yamcha's power level?

 

[p123]

Dunno, I don't think he's holding back in the hand to hand, equals or slightly superior always seemed fine by me.

 

[ahill1]

Is the gap below 1.1x in your opinion?