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Going by the officially released numbers, either through the guidebooks or the manga, Kui, Dodoria, Zarbon, and Vegeta (pre-zenkai) are all within the 18,000 to 24,000 range.
Vegeta: 24,000
Zarbon: 23,000
Dodoria: 22,000
Kui: 18,000
That's a fairly small range of only 6,000 units, yet Vegeta was able to essentially one-shot Kui, easily overwhelm Dodoria, and take down Zarbon with somewhat more effort than Dodoria.
Vegeta owned Kui basically as savagely as Goku did using Kaio-ken x3.
As you can see in his fight with Dodoria, the most visible effort he needed to put forth was in his finishing blast to obliterate him. He was straining to hold Dodoria's arms back, but even then, he was smiling as well, so I put it at a little less effort. Other than that, he was easily blocking and dodging Dodoria's attacks.
Zarbon was similar in inferiority to Dodoria, but Vegeta was more visibly putting effort into his assault than he did with the latter. Zarbon is almost completely unable to track Vegeta's movements, and is unable to defend himself from the physical hits. I wouldn't peg Zarbon as too much stronger than Dodoria based on their performances. Then Zarbon transformed and owned Vegeta just about as well as Vegeta owned Kui, which I previously likened to Kaio-ken x3 Goku vs Vegeta on Earth.
We know from the power levels given in the manga that Goku was "over 8,000" and Vegeta was sitting pretty at about 18,000. Using Kaio-ken x3, that would put Goku at over 24,000, giving him a solid 25% advantage over Vegeta. With the way that slaughter went, 25% sounds very reasonable. With the tables turned, Vegeta being at 24,000 and Kui being at 18,000, the way the fight played out was to be expected. A 25% advantage seems like a total slaughter, and it's backed up by two fights.
However, Dodoria was owned pretty easily, which you wouldn't think would be possible given he'd be only roughly 9% weaker. Zarbon would make it even more bizarre being only roughly 5% weaker. Firstly, would a 4% difference allow Zarbon to elicit noticeably more effort from Vegeta? And secondly, would Vegeta really be able to make a fool out of Zarbon and Dodoria with only a 5% and 9% advantage, respectively? That seems crazy to be able to own two guys that are both less than 10% weaker than you, with one who might as well be on equal footing. Working together, those two would be able to take someone who could trounce them individually.
But the problem doesn't disappear even if their levels are lowered with Dodoria at 20,000 and Zarbon at 21,000. That would make them 17% and 13% weaker, respectively. It's a bit better, but still, is it enough to actually believe in such uneven fights? 17% sounds fair enough, but Zarbon being at 87% of Vegeta and still soundly being defeated turns up a boiled fish. Comparing a 25% difference beatdown to a 5%/13% and 9%/17% beatdown looks out of whack and inconsistent. How does one go from being completely devastated and puking up blood at 25% inferiority, to being manhandled and unable to see the opponent at 9%, to just slightly less damning at 5%? That seems like a lot of similar ownage for too much of a numerical discrepancy to me.
Most commonly I see 1-15% being on equal footing to rivaling, 20-30% being a stomp, and 30%+ being rape. How did we get there from the Namek arc's hilariously tiny gaps?
For future bouts, do we use 5% as a good indicator of being able to maybe track an opponent but still being totally unable to win, and then 9% as being unable to track and unable to win, and all the way up to 25% being a Doom massacre? What about anything between 9% and 25%? And if 5% is a one-sided battle, what qualifies as equal—a 2% difference?
Anyway, I'm beginning to sound like a half-blown retard. I hope you get what I'm trying to ask here.
Vegeta: 24,000
Zarbon: 23,000
Dodoria: 22,000
Kui: 18,000
That's a fairly small range of only 6,000 units, yet Vegeta was able to essentially one-shot Kui, easily overwhelm Dodoria, and take down Zarbon with somewhat more effort than Dodoria.
Vegeta owned Kui basically as savagely as Goku did using Kaio-ken x3.
As you can see in his fight with Dodoria, the most visible effort he needed to put forth was in his finishing blast to obliterate him. He was straining to hold Dodoria's arms back, but even then, he was smiling as well, so I put it at a little less effort. Other than that, he was easily blocking and dodging Dodoria's attacks.
Zarbon was similar in inferiority to Dodoria, but Vegeta was more visibly putting effort into his assault than he did with the latter. Zarbon is almost completely unable to track Vegeta's movements, and is unable to defend himself from the physical hits. I wouldn't peg Zarbon as too much stronger than Dodoria based on their performances. Then Zarbon transformed and owned Vegeta just about as well as Vegeta owned Kui, which I previously likened to Kaio-ken x3 Goku vs Vegeta on Earth.
We know from the power levels given in the manga that Goku was "over 8,000" and Vegeta was sitting pretty at about 18,000. Using Kaio-ken x3, that would put Goku at over 24,000, giving him a solid 25% advantage over Vegeta. With the way that slaughter went, 25% sounds very reasonable. With the tables turned, Vegeta being at 24,000 and Kui being at 18,000, the way the fight played out was to be expected. A 25% advantage seems like a total slaughter, and it's backed up by two fights.
However, Dodoria was owned pretty easily, which you wouldn't think would be possible given he'd be only roughly 9% weaker. Zarbon would make it even more bizarre being only roughly 5% weaker. Firstly, would a 4% difference allow Zarbon to elicit noticeably more effort from Vegeta? And secondly, would Vegeta really be able to make a fool out of Zarbon and Dodoria with only a 5% and 9% advantage, respectively? That seems crazy to be able to own two guys that are both less than 10% weaker than you, with one who might as well be on equal footing. Working together, those two would be able to take someone who could trounce them individually.
But the problem doesn't disappear even if their levels are lowered with Dodoria at 20,000 and Zarbon at 21,000. That would make them 17% and 13% weaker, respectively. It's a bit better, but still, is it enough to actually believe in such uneven fights? 17% sounds fair enough, but Zarbon being at 87% of Vegeta and still soundly being defeated turns up a boiled fish. Comparing a 25% difference beatdown to a 5%/13% and 9%/17% beatdown looks out of whack and inconsistent. How does one go from being completely devastated and puking up blood at 25% inferiority, to being manhandled and unable to see the opponent at 9%, to just slightly less damning at 5%? That seems like a lot of similar ownage for too much of a numerical discrepancy to me.
Most commonly I see 1-15% being on equal footing to rivaling, 20-30% being a stomp, and 30%+ being rape. How did we get there from the Namek arc's hilariously tiny gaps?
For future bouts, do we use 5% as a good indicator of being able to maybe track an opponent but still being totally unable to win, and then 9% as being unable to track and unable to win, and all the way up to 25% being a Doom massacre? What about anything between 9% and 25%? And if 5% is a one-sided battle, what qualifies as equal—a 2% difference?
Anyway, I'm beginning to sound like a half-blown retard. I hope you get what I'm trying to ask here.
