Super Saiyan Blue multiplier

[Pyro]

What the fuck do you think it is? This shit is fizzling my mind. It's obviously stronger than Super Saiyan God because Goku chose to use it to gain the edge over Hit when Super Saiyan God apparently wasn't quite enough, and Vegeta also says it's the strongest form yet. It should be a gigantic multiplier if it's stronger than God, which took Goku from weak to stronger than a hypothetical SSj3 Vegetto (if we're using the anime's line of thought here, even though I'm basing this on the manga). However, the U6 tourney seemingly makes it look like a 10x multiplier off Super Saiyan 3 if Hit is fighting SSj Goku at the same level he whooped <10% SSB Vegeta with. But look at this shit:

Goku - 1
SSj - 50
SSj2 - 100
SSj3 - 400
SSG - 10,000,000 (if he's gonna be over SSj3 Vegetto? low estimate regardless)

Goku (U6) - 4 (I dunno, just go with it)
SSj - 120
SSj2 - 240
SSj3 - 960
SSG - 40,000,000
SSB - 9,600...

I don't know. Fuck my ass and club my calves. dawg

 

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Going by the manga SSJB= 10x SSJ implication, i have...

SSJ- 1
SSJ2- 2
SSJ3- 5
SSJ God- 7.5
SSJ Blue- 10

 

[Jerk Store]

x69

 

[Void]

I think the initial boost from SSG is insane, but it decreases drastically after the user reigns the power and increase his base like Goku did.

Currently:
Goku - 1
SS - 12.5
SS2 - 25
SS3 - 50
SSG/Rageta's SS2 - 250
SSB - 500

 

[Pyro]

I think the initial boost from SSG is insane, but it decreases drastically after the user reigns the power and increase his base like Goku did.

Currently:
Goku - 1
SS - 12.5
SS2 - 25
SS3 - 50
SSG/Rageta's SS2 - 250
SSB - 500

So if U6 Goku went Super Saiyan God, and battled a freshly knighted Gohan, Gohan would stomp the everloving shit out of his father? That's one of the things making me hesitant to put Blue at 10x Super Saiyan.

 

[Void]

I think the initial boost from SSG is insane, but it decreases drastically after the user reigns the power and increase his base like Goku did.

Currently:
Goku - 1
SS - 12.5
SS2 - 25
SS3 - 50
SSG/Rageta's SS2 - 250
SSB - 500

So if U6 Goku went Super Saiyan God, and battled a freshly knighted Gohan, Gohan would stomp the everloving shit out of his father? That's one of the things making me hesitant to put Blue at 10x Super Saiyan.

What? If I shoved Gohan onto that list he would be a 3-4 tops, he is trash in Super. Toyotaro's RoF manga still has Gohan getting wrecked by First Form Freeza.

 

[Pyro]

I think the initial boost from SSG is insane, but it decreases drastically after the user reigns the power and increase his base like Goku did.

Currently:
Goku - 1
SS - 12.5
SS2 - 25
SS3 - 50
SSG/Rageta's SS2 - 250
SSB - 500

So if U6 Goku went Super Saiyan God, and battled a freshly knighted Gohan, Gohan would stomp the everloving shit out of his father? That's one of the things making me hesitant to put Blue at 10x Super Saiyan.

What? If I shoved Gohan onto that list he would be a 3-4 tops, he is trash in Super. Toyotaro's RoF manga still has Gohan getting wrecked by First Form Freeza.

But if he underwent the Super Saiyan God ritual, would he not get that insane boost from it being his first time using the form?

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

multipliers...

 

[Void]

So if U6 Goku went Super Saiyan God, and battled a freshly knighted Gohan, Gohan would stomp the everloving shit out of his father? That's one of the things making me hesitant to put Blue at 10x Super Saiyan.

What? If I shoved Gohan onto that list he would be a 3-4 tops, he is trash in Super. Toyotaro's RoF manga still has Gohan getting wrecked by First Form Freeza.

But if he underwent the Super Saiyan God ritual, would he not get that insane boost from it being his first time using the form?

Oh, yeah, Gohan would end up a bit stronger than Goku did when they did the ritual. By the numbers I posted, Goku's initial SSG would be about 100, Gohan's would be 110-120. As far as the manga goes, I don't think Goku's base or SS forms have surpassed his initial power as a SSG.

We are talking about the manga, right?

 

[Future Warrior]

I think the initial boost from SSG is insane, but it decreases drastically after the user reigns the power and increase his base like Goku did.

Currently:
Goku - 1
SS - 12.5
SS2 - 25
SS3 - 50
SSG/Rageta's SS2 - 250
SSB - 500

So if U6 Goku went Super Saiyan God, and battled a freshly knighted Gohan, Gohan would stomp the everloving shit out of his father? That's one of the things making me hesitant to put Blue at 10x Super Saiyan.

What? If I shoved Gohan onto that list he would be a 3-4 tops, he is trash in Super. Toyotaro's RoF manga still has Gohan getting wrecked by First Form Freeza.

Actually, Gohan didn't even fight Freeza in the manga. But he did say he wouldn't win against Freeza even as a SSj so

 

[Pyro]

He also knew Freeza had more transformations, so a lot more power. Even if 1st Form Freeza was, say, Ssj3 Gotenks level, that's a giant increase to look forward to.

And yes, we're talking about the manga. I'm just trying to figure out how to make Blue work from a numbers standpoint. Red would appear to be a gigantic multiplier, but do we need to assume it's stronger than a hypothetical Vegetto? After all, that line isn't in the manga, and there's plenty of time for Goku to make that deduction.

 

[Future Warrior]

Considering he chose SSj God over Vegetto, I think it's safe to say the former is stronger.

 

[Void]

Yeah, Goku knows of two ways to fuse with Vegeta and chooses to do neither. I see at as more of Goku not even thinking fusion is viable against Beerus, so he doesn't bother mentioning it. But at the same time I don't think the base Saiyans have to be weaker than Freeza, since that line is also excluded, so I guess it's just preference here.

 

[Future Warrior]

I mean, in the anime you could make an argument that Goku says ''fusion'' which usually refers to the Metamoren dance. But the fact that he still didn't consider Potara even knowing Beerus could potentially destroy the earth still makes me hesitant on putting SSj God weaker than Vegetto.

 

[Void]

[mention]Big Poppa Pump[/mention] My answers sucked earlier, so I will try to make a better post now that I am home.

It's obviously stronger than Super Saiyan God because Goku chose to use it to gain the edge over Hit when Super Saiyan God apparently wasn't quite enough, and Vegeta also says it's the strongest form yet.

Completely agree.

It should be a gigantic multiplier if it's stronger than God

Gigantic multiplier on top of base, but I only have Blue being 2x God in the manga, and I think it works well, personally.

However, the U6 tourney seemingly makes it look like a 10x multiplier off Super Saiyan 3 if Hit is fighting SSj Goku at the same level he whooped <10% SSB Vegeta with.

Yeah, I agree with this too. My power chain for that arc is currently: SSB Goku & SSB Vegeta > FP Hit >~ SSG Goku >> "Suppressed" Hit > Less than 10% Blue Vegeta > SS Goku > Base Goku

The power increases from each form have to be pretty small for that to work, and the only reason I put Super Saiyan Goku below ~10% Blue Vegeta is due to Beerus' line of SSG Goku surpassing him, but not saying it for Super Saiyan Goku. You could easily have SS Goku above that weakened Vegeta though based off of the fight.

I think that fight also points to the multipliers not being that big either, what with Goku trying out three different forms and Hit doesn't seem to power up at any point before using his FP. But, this is just my opinion.

Getting back to the initial Super Saiyan God thing, I have Goku getting ~500,000x stronger from that in order to make it well past SS3 Vegetto. I don't think there is anyway possible for that to stay as a multiplier and work, what would his Blue multiplier be on top of base, 1,000,000? Unless you want to believe Hit was using 1/500,000 of his. Also, Black's Zenkai would have to make him like 100,000x stronger for him to go from weaker than SS2 Vegeta to stronger than Blue Vegeta.



This is all kind of ridiculous, maybe it is just easier to keep SSG Goku weaker than Vegetto during the Boo arc... If we're treating the Super manga as a separate entity, then that line about fusion shouldn't exist here. It honestly is probably the better option here.

Fuck I'm drunk

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

SSjin3 Vegito is probably around 20x stronger than SSjin3 Goku since the Potara was nerfed. That makes SSjinGod and SSJB around 30-50x stronger IMO.

 

[Pyro]

Okay, so I think what I'm going to do is just make Super Saiyan God have an initial multiplier and then it adjusts down after the first use. Gonna do an experimental list now.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The multiplier gets lower as the series goes similar to Mike's theory about SSjin4.