Super Saiyan Suppression

[GSM123]

Is it possible to suppress a form before mastering it?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

In terms of Ki control, it's unlikely, though Goku and Trunks were able to control the effort their attacks outputted when meting each other.

 

[GSM123]

What about this statement from Piccolo?

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147)
Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”

It seems kind of odd as Piccolo uses the term power here.

And what about the kids suppressing? Or are they Mastered Super Saiyans?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I think both cases can be attributed to effort, or at least the case with the kids definitely can. Piccolo's statement may be referring to Goku's current power/full effort at that point, considering in the same scene he talks about Goku's miserable condition and how his power should be much greater than this.

 

[GSM123]

Yeah Piccolo's statements seems poorly worded with him telling Tenshithands Goku should be far stronger.

But the kids definitely isn't a effort thing though. They suppress to fuse, but Trunks gets rather tired after suppressing to Goten's level when Goku is gauging their power. Mastered Super Saiyans shouldn't be tired from suppression.

 

[GSM123]

Taking a look on the artwork the boys do look like Mastered Super Saiyans with the round eyes and such. Still doesn't explain how Trunks is tired just by suppressing though. Probably poor of Ki control?

 

[Papasmurf]

Rrunks wasn't that advantaged against a Goten that could barely control his KHH, so fairly likely.

 

[GSM123]

The boys lacking Ki control is cleary evidence they are weak as the Announcer could dodge Goten's Kamehameha

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

We also catch glimpses of this sort of "in between" state where they go SSJ for several seconds before dropping out. Gohan did this in the RoSaT, as did Trunks in History of Trunks. There might be others and I can't say for sure what is filler and what isn't right of the top of my head. But I think a few examples are worth something here.

 

[Papasmurf]

The boys lacking Ki control is cleary evidence they are weak as the Announcer could dodge Goten's Kamehameha

Piccolo > Babidi >> SSJ2 Vegeta

 

[Papasmurf]

We also catch glimpses of this sort of "in between" state where they go SSJ for several seconds before dropping out. Gohan did this in the RoSaT, as did Trunks in History of Trunks. There might be others and I can't say for sure what is filler and what isn't right of the top of my head. But I think a few examples are worth something here.

Those were filler. Trunks in the manga could still go SSJ as a child prior to Gohan's death and Gohan's seen turning Super Saiyan without going into inbetween states, albeit he dropped out of it almost immediately.

We do see stuff like this though:

Pseudo SSJ God?

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol30/107-NiWe5.jpg

 

[GSM123]

Each weight has a Saiyan inside it, so he did a Super Saiyan God ritual with only one saiyan missing.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Is it possible to suppress a form before mastering it?

Depends on what you mean by ''suppress''. Uncle Withheld has shared his
deep knowledge with this forum multiple times, to clear out the
confusion about stuff like Nappa powering up etc

1. Chi output
A fighter naturally emits more chi when he fights than when he's calm
(ex. Nappa, Scouter Vegeta, 1st Form Freeza). That doesn't
necessarily mean they can suppress their power level (we'll talk about
that below). Biological senses can tell the difference between how the
chi feels during the calm state and the battle state, but that's not the
case for the scouters, which will always pick the same number. Ex.
Vegeta's scouter PL would always be 18.000, both pre and post his
power up sequence, but Goku's biological senses definitely felt a
difference.

2. Modify battle power
This is the ability to trick the scouters into a fake power level.
Biological senses can also be tricked at some extent, though an
experienced biological sensor can tell (ex. Goku sensing Fat Buu's
power). Also, the person that can modify his battle power can
suppress his chi output to absolute zero, thus becoming totally
invisible to both scouters and biological sensors.

To return to the topic, SSJs cannot modify their battle power
before practicing the form, but they can still vary their
chi output like everyone else (ex. Tenshinhan noticing Yardrat
Goku's standing ki).