CSSJB level. I've seen nothing to suggest they're actually far above it, or even particularly strong.How far above CSSJB level are they?
Out of universe: Toyo's just an awful writer. In universe: Caulifla's battle sense + Kale's power = powerful warrior.Also why did Vados say that Kefla might be unmatched on the battlefield when Jiren was there?
You think they were this strong? Don't you think people would be freaking out about Jiren being surpassed by the likes of Gohan? I really can't see the power that Jiren used to break out of Hit's Time Stop being surpassed. Krillin even went as far as to rhetorically ask if Gohan could surpass Goku if he kept up his training. I don't think they should be leagues above the CSSJBs based on this.Gohan >= Kefla SSJ > Jiren (Suppressed vs Hit) >> Jiren (Initial) >> Goku PSSJB + Hit >>> Goku PSSJB = Hit.
How would Krillin even know that though? He can't sense CSSJB Goku even if he was getting stronger.I'm thinking Goku might have been getting stronger just by fighting Jiren. Vegeta confirmed in one of the latest fighters that Saiyans do get stronger mid fight and even Granolah was powering up, and since Gohan got a boost why not Goku? It's nothing significant (at least not as significant as Gohan going from base level to beyond PSSJB level), just enough for him to close the gap between himself and Gohan/Kefla by the time Kuririn says that line.
How would Krillin even know that though? He can't sense CSSJB Goku even if he was getting stronger.
Maybe, but we saw just earlier that he was about equal to Hit, and there wasn't much of a time lapse between that and Krillin's comment iirc.
Which is hilarious because he had been fighting her for about 5 panels before Piccolo said that. Super power ups are atrocious.Well Gohan did get as strong as Kefla just by fighting her. I’m not sure how this is supposed to work, but looks like it’s a instant power up.
Ch. 39, pg. 7.1-2
Piccolo: “That’s Gohan for you. Regaining his sense of battle was all he could do in that brief period of training, but he’s managed to grow stronger than ever during this fight.”
Krillin: “Whoa… Talk about innate talent… Makes you wonder if he could get stronger than Goku if he quit his day job and devoted himself to training!!”