Vegeta has more potential than Goku

[DBZAOTA482]

It's often believed Goku has greater potential than Vegeta due to him always being one step ahead but I disagree and I'll explain why:

Birthright

Saiyans are tested at birth of their fighting capabilities and given classes based on their strength. Vegeta was a super elite while Goku was disposable garbage and this led Vegeta, the elitist asshole that he is, to look down on Goku believing he can't amount to nothing. Their ranks play a huge part in their rivalry.

Training method

As pure-blooded Saiyans, they live to train and fight but they different approaches to strength. Vegeta thrives on being the absolute best and Goku only wants to be the best he can be. As a result Vegeta constantly compares himself to other people and abuses his body (which is tied to his birthrights) while Goku knows when to relax and makes the most of his opportunities.

Vegeta even notes during the Cell Games as well as his fight with Goku in the Majin Boo Saga that no matter how hard he trains Goku is a greater genius than him and thus will always be better than him.

Character

This one is clear. Goku is easy-going, childlike, benevolent, confident, and free-spirited while Vegeta is brash, prideful, crafty, anti-social, and mean-spirited. Vegeta is clearly the antithesis of Goku and this plays a huge part in their "nurture vs. nature" relationship. Near the end of the series... at the final fight with Kid Boo, Vegeta finally gains respect for Goku and a fundamental understanding as to why Goku is always one step ahead:

Vegeta fights to win and satisfying his natural bloodlust while Goku simply fights to test his limits and to transcend them, hence why he has no desire to take his enemies' lives. The fact a gentle Saiyan could be this strong was maddening to him but now he can see Goku is the better person therefore more deserving of great strength. This was also yet another turning point in Vegeta's character is he's finally accepted as a good guy by the gods.

Nowadays, Vegeta is still not a nice person but he's willing to fight alongside even if he's not too proud of it. For how poorly written Resurrection F is, it at least still acknowledges the reason Vegeta remains behind Goku is because he way too uptight.



Now, do you see my point? Do you think Vegeta has more potential but has the lesser attitude? Or vice-versa? Be cooperative and carefully explain your thoughts.

 

[Jerk Store]

Goku only got so far ahead of Vegeta because he got more otherwordly and godly training and other misc. opportunities that Vegeta never got.

Saiyajins don't have real limits to hinder total potential. They constantly grow stronger and unlock shortcuts to power through transformations. They reach temporary walls (mainly against that arcs main villain) then surpass them through transformation.

Eventually, their base levels grow as strong as initial SSJ, SSJ becomes as strong as initial SSJ2, so on and so forth. Saiyajin transformations are meant as shortcuts to power later accessible in base form basically. From Oozaru to SSJ3 and beyond.

So, more or less, they, as well as all Saiyajins have the same potential IMO.... If Vegeta had the same godly/otherworldly training and crazy opportunities Goku had, he woulda stayed ahead of Goku seeing as how he was vastly superior to Goku from the get go, and if not for godly Kaio training, Goku woulda died... Imagine Saiyajin arc Vegeta with Kaioken.... He woulda demolished Goku even harder than he did as an Oozaru and killed him.

The KKx4 Kame would have lost to a KKx3 Galic Gun, and Vegeta woulda been less worn down because he could handle KKx3 better than KKx4, like Goku...

Goku stayed ahead cause of the training he got, that's the main thing. Attitude, personality, and whatnot plays a part I guess, but not as much as people think.

Give selfish asshole Vegeta the same exact training and advantages friendly boy Goku got, and Vegeta still comes out on top.

 

[ahill1]

Well, Goku got way more power than Vegeta in the Rosat while training more or less during the same amount, but that could have to do with the Mastered Super Saiyan training, which could provide a bigger boost, I don't know.

If Vegeta knew Kaioken in the Saiyans saga, just a normal Kaioken could surpass all Goku could do lol, barring the Genki-Dama.

 

[Tapion]

Vegeta needed to have his potential brought BEYOND its limits to even match SSjin2 Goku.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Also, Goku acknowledges the benefits of a sparring partner. In spirit room, Vegeta was training alone.

 

[Papasmurf]

Only the second time around. He had Trunks the first time

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Only the second time around. He had Trunks the first time

I don't think he trained with Trunks the first time either.

 

[Papasmurf]

Why wouldn't he? Trunks himself said even Vegeta should know it's much more effective to train with a sparring partner. Vegeta not knowing about Trunks' grade 3 doesn't mean anything since Gohan didn't know he'd surpassed his father either.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Vegeta did have Trunks as a sparring partner but he most likely didn't actually train him.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'm willing to use DBS showing that flashback of Vegeta attaining G2 in the Rosat to support them training together around that time. Doesn't contradict anything and fits in with Trunks saying he's going in with Vegeta since sparring partners increase gains

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku's motivation is different from Vegeta's motivation.

 

[sei'taer]

Some of it has to do with methods of training. Goku has trained with various masters of heaven and earth. Vegeta just uses gravity training over and over.

The rest has to do with pure potential. There's not a massive gap between them during the cell games, significant sure, but after 7 years of training, vegeta needs a potential unlock to even be even with goku in SSJ2, and then goku has a whole 'nother form above him.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

Vegeta's dad lied to him, the closest the Prince of all two Saiyans will get to being royal is buying a seat at Kaufman Stadium.

 

[Papasmurf]

Some of it has to do with methods of training. Goku has trained with various masters of heaven and earth. Vegeta just uses gravity training over and over.

The rest has to do with pure potential. There's not a massive gap between them during the cell games, significant sure, but after 7 years of training, vegeta needs a potential unlock to even be even with goku in SSJ2, and then goku has a whole 'nother form above him.

Well, the gap between them hadn't increased or anything other than Goku's attainment of SSJ3 which appears to be a recent phenomenon. You can say they had more or less the same training gains, but Goku being ahead 7 years ago was able to tap SSJ3 first.

 

[sei'taer]

The gap was significant enough for vegeta to be charmed just to catch up. SSJ2 or no, there's still a decent gap there.

 

[Papasmurf]

The gap ain't multi-fold with SS3 though, much like 7 years ago. Goku's only slightly stronger than Gohan was in the CG, and Boo arc Gohan who's weaker than Vegeta hasn't lost half his old strength or anything.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The gap ain't multi-fold with SS3 though, much like 7 years ago. Goku's only slightly stronger than Gohan was in the CG, and Boo arc Gohan who's weaker than Vegeta hasn't lost half his old strength or anything.

How do we know he didn't lose half his power?

 

[Papasmurf]

Because SSJ2 is only 2x according to the great

And Gohan can still go SSJ2 so I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt and saying his SSJ2 is still stronger than his old SSJ