Water 7 --> Enies Lobby powerups?
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Well, Chopper kind of did, but that doesn't really count since he could've always done that. Did Nami get a power up? Don't recall. I remember her winning through a combo of her wits and Kalifa(sp?) being a ditz/more interested in testing her new powers.
When I was first reading through the arc I was ready to call bull as I read through the fights. Not so much now, but they still nag at me sometimes, as it just feels a little convenient/like other battle shounens. It's the only time this has happened in the series, at least to this degree, but still. Luffy's Gears are probably the best explained, although I'm not a fan of the whole "I came up with it by watching you do your thing" thing, plus the pseudo-science involved is 'eh' at best. I don't really remember how Sanji got his. Zoro's is the weirdest, as it seemingly came out of nowhere, but we've barely seen it since so I suspect even Zoro doesn't know anything about it. I've heard a number of theories about his ever since.
When I was first reading through the arc I was ready to call bull as I read through the fights. Not so much now, but they still nag at me sometimes, as it just feels a little convenient/like other battle shounens. It's the only time this has happened in the series, at least to this degree, but still. Luffy's Gears are probably the best explained, although I'm not a fan of the whole "I came up with it by watching you do your thing" thing, plus the pseudo-science involved is 'eh' at best. I don't really remember how Sanji got his. Zoro's is the weirdest, as it seemingly came out of nowhere, but we've barely seen it since so I suspect even Zoro doesn't know anything about it. I've heard a number of theories about his ever since.
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I don't really recall the inception of the gears.
I think Kaku said that Zoro was using his spirit to create visions of himself? Most definitely could be wrong there.
Sanji's power up was pretty uncalled for. Iirc, his leg caught on fire while he was kicking? I don't believe it was explained how it happened.
I think Kaku said that Zoro was using his spirit to create visions of himself? Most definitely could be wrong there.
Sanji's power up was pretty uncalled for. Iirc, his leg caught on fire while he was kicking? I don't believe it was explained how it happened.
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Kaku said it looked like he was using his spirit to create an illusion of a demon god or something (i.e. Asura). It's weird because it feels like one of those times Zoro unlocks a new power by learning something new or just by accident, yet he doesn't act surprised or acknowledge anything like that and even states the technique name as though it's something he's always done. That bit is the weirdest part for me.
Sanji did it by spinning iirc. Still, the whole thing was a bit glossed over, if I recall correctly. I'd have to reread to verify. Probably should've reread before posting this tbh, but the issue resurfaced in my head and nagged at me once I got to Water 7 on my reread so I felt like asking now.
For the gears, Luffy says he started thinking of ways to get stronger after Aokiji beat him. He also learned Soru(?) while watching CP9. Don't quite recall the specific details, but I remember the details not being specific enough that it bugged me a bit. Although I guess I shouldn't expect Luffy to explain things well.
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Well that was more one of those instances where willpower = strength. I was more thinking about the permanent power ups.
Welcome to this board, by the way.
EDIT: Rob Lucci explained the technique better than Luffy did, iirc. Kinda forgot all about that. I guess my main issue is when he came up with it and how. It's a lot more advanced than other things he came up with on the fly.
Kaku said it looked like he was using his spirit to create an illusion of a demon god or something (i.e. Asura). It's weird because it feels like one of those times Zoro unlocks a new power by learning something new or just by accident, yet he doesn't act surprised or acknowledge anything like that and even states the technique name as though it's something he's always done. That bit is the weirdest part for me.
Sanji did it by spinning iirc. Still, the whole thing was a bit glossed over, if I recall correctly. I'd have to reread to verify. Probably should've reread before posting this tbh, but the issue resurfaced in my head and nagged at me once I got to Water 7 on my reread so I felt like asking now.
For the gears, Luffy says he started thinking of ways to get stronger after Aokiji beat him. He also learned Soru(?) while watching CP9. Don't quite recall the specific details, but I remember the details not being specific enough that it bugged me a bit. Although I guess I shouldn't expect Luffy to explain things well.
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Well that was more one of those instances where willpower = strength. I was more thinking about the permanent power ups.
Welcome to this board, by the way.
EDIT: Rob Lucci explained the technique better than Luffy did, iirc. Kinda forgot all about that. I guess my main issue is when he came up with it and how. It's a lot more advanced than other things he came up with on the fly.
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Welcome whoever you are.Jvez22 said:Thanks for the welcome @Kyo
As for the topic I think all the powers made sense. I would see why the rest didn't get any stronger. They were almost side characters at this point
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The trio are the only fighters who can get stronger by coming up with new techniques or power ups. Luffy said he learned the technique after getting smacked by Aokiji. The rest of the crew just improved their abilities with training before getting on Water 7.
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It's one of the biggest contrivances in Part 1 OP, with absolutely no setup for them prior and pretty pointless when only Luffy's were used for more than just a finishing blow on their opponents in the arc. They would've needed a lot more build up to really fit in well.
