Where did the negatively towards Cell Saga come from?

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For the longest time, the Majin Boo Saga was widely considered the worst arc of the series... at least for DBZ but as for late, out of nowhere, there has a lot more criticism for the Cell Saga in recent years. The Kanzenshuu community in particular is pretty harsh with criticism towards the arc.

Complaints ranging from how the heroes were idiots... namely Krillin and Vegeta, the story was humorless, and the plot is filled with holes. And so on....

I cited these ones because...

Most if not all of the "stupid" decisions are in-character and are logically explained throughout the story. For example, Krillin is shown to be sentimental and fall for pretty faces easily. After all he was the only one among the Z-Warriors who saw the androids from the main timeline weren't evil like the ones from the first two timelines so it's little surprise he would gain sympathy for the androids. Also Vegeta is known for his overconfidence in addition to the Saiyan's lust for a challenge would override any bit of reasoning he had there especially with Cell egging him on. After all this is the same guy who goaded Freeza into transforming even though he was already inferior to him in his first form and having already seen how powerful an opponent can get from transforming.

The humor complaint... well humor is subjective but it isn't like the Piccolo Daimao, Saiyan, and Freeza arcs were heavy on comedy. In fact, aside from King Kai's bad comedy routine and some of the Ginyu Force's antics there were hardly any notable bits of comedy. In the Android/Cell Saga we did have Krillin's crush on #18, Panchy opening her eyes, and Mr. Satan in general.

For plot holes... the only major plot hole I can think of is the super computer that made Cell somehow being able to collect info on Trunks but that's only natural as time travel is bound to have some fuck-ups and the arc does it a lot better than a lot of sci-fi stories. Cell regenerating from Goku's Instant Kamehameha is often cited as one but as Cell explained he can regeneration from any injury as long as his "core" remains (Piccolo's works similar as well) and he still had a ton of energy left making regenerating rather draining without the core. Piccolo even regenerated during the Boo Saga while explaining this theory despite losing his "core".

Not even Cell, the titular villain, himself is safe from them. Criticism ranging from how he's boring to trying to diminish his villainy with (flimsy) excuses. Though he was programmed to kill, the androids were shown to have moral agency, Cell included as he ignored his original purpose for existence (to fulfill Gero's vendetta against Goku by killing him) but still continued to do bad. Cell not only killed at least hundreds-thousands if not millions of people just so he can increase his power but he also got satisfaction from killing and probably has the most on-screen kills behind Majin Boo. He's the only villain so far to successfully kill Goku.. he's even responsible for the permanent deaths of two significant characters:
Trunks from the Original Timeline (which is where he is from) and #16, who embodied peace and benevolence despite being programmed to kill Goku.

He also got off on causing fear as shown during his fight with Vegeta after becoming perfect or his decision to announce the Cell Games to the public just so he can spread terror and despair before he methodically kill everyone on the planet... likely would repeat the whole process on other planets.... but he isn't a mindless killing machine like Majin Boo. He had to play things smart to work his up to the top... in fact, the villain to do so and even more impressive with his short life. He outsmarted Piccolo then he ran circles around the Z-Warriors by keeping a low-profile and lowering his ki whenever they got close to him while absorbing people as they laughs at them. He also applied psychological warfare on the androids ranging from imitating #17's voice to destroying a bunch of continent-sized islands to lure out #18 and he egged Vegeta on into letting him become perfect by using his pride and Saiyan instinct against him. After achieving his goal he does become slightly conflicted on what he wants to do with himself Cell but after coming back as SPC, where he had gone insane, he openly decides to wipe out all life from the solar system probably even the whole universe.

Anyways, what caused people's opinions on the arc to sour. Is it becoming older and smelling the coffee to it's flaws? Does it really suck without the nostalgia goggles? Or is it just a passage of time (taste do change)?

Whatever the case is just please don't indulge that lemming thatdbzguy.
 

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lol we just made a thread about it. Anyway, one of the reasons why that arc suck is because of the Android arc and Vegeta giving Cell's a chance to turn into his perfect form is another excuse of this plot to drag longer. This arc failed to continue the momentum of Freeza and the only positive things that came out from it was Gohan's potential and Goku's death.
 

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It's because Dragon Ball fans are negative by nature. We all hate something about the franchise, be it Cell, Boo, GT or Super.

I personally like Cell and the Majin Boo arc, but I do hate Suparar so I guess that's my hatred covered. :D
 

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The arc sucks in terms of plotting and building up necessary hype, it really felt like beating a dead horse and extending the series' lifespan rather than moving forward. It still had good battles, and some other good stuff about it, just more negatives than most of the previous arcs. I don't hate it, I just wish AT wasn't pressured so much and got some time off to rethink the plot before all the last minute changes that made the plot so convoluted despite the linear setup.
 

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So you're the one who posted that Reddit post.
 

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It's always been there

I don't think it's a terrible saga, just not as good as furiza.
 

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Fearless Hit said:
lol we just made a thread about it. Anyway, one of the reasons why that arc suck is because of the Android arc and Vegeta giving Cell's a chance to turn into his perfect form is another excuse of this plot to drag longer. This arc failed to continue the momentum of Freeza and the only positive things that came out from it was Gohan's potential and Goku's death.
Like when Vegeta goaded Freeza into transforming even though he was already weaker than him in his first form and having already seen how powerful an opponent can get from transforming?
 

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Freeza can transform at will while anyone had the option of shutting down/killing #18 to prevent Cell from transforming. :ladd
 

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DBZAOTA482 said:
Fearless Hit said:
lol we just made a thread about it. Anyway, one of the reasons why that arc suck is because of the Android arc and Vegeta giving Cell's a chance to turn into his perfect form is another excuse of this plot to drag longer. This arc failed to continue the momentum of Freeza and the only positive things that came out from it was Gohan's potential and Goku's death.
Like when Vegeta goaded Freeza into transforming even though he was already weaker than him in his first form and having already seen how powerful an opponent can get from transforming?
It's Freeza and Vegeta has a lot of history about him and he wanted to see how strong and looks Freeza really is. Cell on the other is just another excuse for Cell not to be killed.
 

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Atem King of Niger said:
Freeza can transform at will while anyone had the option of shutting down/killing #18 to prevent Cell from transforming. :ladd
Vegeta was cocky and arrogant, and Cell manipulated him. As a master manipulator yourself, this must prove adequate.
 

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Cell transforming relied not only on Vegeta getting played but also on Krillin's boner as well as the ludicrous notion that #18 wouldn't be 30000 miles away from him after all the opportunities she'd gotten, whether she had to carry #16 or whatever.

Vegeta goaded Freeza into transforming because what he had already seen was incomparable to Freeza's transformation. Both are stupid but at least in this case Vegeta had a baseline to mistakenly go off of. (inb4 what if he had imperfect-semi to go off of.) Plus there aren't nearly as many ridiculous factors at play here.
 
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