Why is Toriyama taking such a massive dump on Gohan?

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I know Gohan's no fighter at heart but at least show him with some credibility.

Originally, I thought the whole "Gohan is a nerdy loser" thing was concoded by Toei but it turns out it's mainly Toriyama-sensei's writing.... which is strange because I didn't think the Battle of Gods movie handled him too badly (he actually got to touch Beerus) unlike the Super anime's version where Beerus didn't even view him as worth playing with. But then Resurrection F came and he looked rather derpy.

Finally, there's the scene where Vegeta suggests to bring Gohan to the Universe 6 Tournament and Goku's like "Pfft, fuck Gohan! He's a nerd... he can't even find his gi!".

Let me reiterate, I'm not one of those self-inserting Gohan fans who want SSJ2 "badassery" but I think Gohan should treated with way more respect than given by the man.
 

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It's because there's nothing left for him to be used. All the mystery surrounds him are gone and especially now we're in the story of gods where mortal powers are nothing [LOL Golden Freeza] which includes Gohan as well. He always wanted to be a scholarship just like Future Trunks said and now he reached his goals and has no business on fighting unless if its necessary.
 

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He's not a fighter. He never was. He didn't even want to fight Cell. He was irrelevant in the Boo saga (aside from his brief Ultimate Gohan appearance), and at the end of Z, he's a nerdy powerless scholar. People just got 'dem member berries about SSj2 Gohan, when he didn't even want to fight Cell and was literally tortured into it. Same with Freeza. Toriyama didn't fuck Gohan - this is just who Gohan is.
 

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Toriyama did say that he tried making him the main character at one point and just learned he was more content studying, so modern Toriyama with all his Goku/Vegeta/Beerus wanking has taken a comparative shit on him as he makes others increasingly irrelevant
 

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AT and Toei have a long history of introducing characters with promising potential
(Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan, Ubb) only to belittle them and keep Goku as the hero.
 

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AT and Toei have a long history of introducing characters with promising potential
(Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan, Ubb) only to belittle them and keep Goku as the hero.
Pan made GT ratings fell down, Goten and Trunks are gag characters. Uub on the other hand in unknown yet on how Toriyama will use him as Goku keeps mentioning him on Super. :troll
 

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Uub will be a bad ass. I hated how underused he was in GT.
 

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He will have to probably in order to stay relevant, and even then, he will still be lacking to god tier powers, plus, ya know..... Being a very young child, cause I don't know if Super will even go beyond EoZ, and if so, how far, but I would assume once he gets older, it would play out like GT as far as remerging with Buu goes. Unless he gets human god or some crazy new Majin shit or something.

Whatever, I don't care how, I just hope he isn't underused.... A human born with Kid Buu tier power is not something to just fuckin ignore, I don't care if they got advanced god ki BS now.
 

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When your character arc is over in this series, you're done. Doesn't matter how good of a character you were, you're done. Unless your name is Vegeta, then you stay Goku's rival despite Hit being much closer to what a rival actually is, not Toriyama's definition of "you fight this guy once and you're ten times stronger than him forever, except when the guy gets fifteen minutes in the spotlight per arc".
 

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Fearless Hit said:
[LOL Golden Freeza].

Like you are the one to talk Hit. You are just a normal ki user yourself. xD

Lol
 

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Squall Strife said:
Fearless Hit said:
[LOL Golden Freeza].

Like you are the one to talk Hit. You are just a normal ki user yourself. xD

Lol
I'm a legendary Assassin there's no doubt that I can improve my power if I want to.
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WE WANT BADASS SSJ 2 GOHAN N0W!!!

If he was truly popular enough he would get the asspull, like Trunks and Piccolo. Popularity = power in Dragonball.
 

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Super Neko Majin Z said:
When your character arc is over in this series, you're done. Doesn't matter how good of a character you were, you're done. Unless your name is Vegeta, then you stay Goku's rival despite Hit being much closer to what a rival actually is, not Toriyama's definition of "you fight this guy once and you're ten times stronger than him forever, except when the guy gets fifteen minutes in the spotlight per arc".

At least Gohan had an arc (Cell). All the other prodigies (Trunks, Goten, Pan) make you wonder why AT bothered drawing them in the first place.
 

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Piccolo didn't get an asspull. SSJG = SSJ just got retconned and people still somehow don't realize that.
 

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DBZAOTA482 said:
I know Gohan's no fighter at heart but at least show him with some credibility.

Originally, I thought the whole "Gohan is a nerdy loser" thing was concoded by Toei but it turns out it's mainly Toriyama-sensei's writing.... which is strange because I didn't think the Battle of Gods movie handled him too badly (he actually got to touch Beerus) unlike the Super anime's version where Beerus didn't even view him as worth playing with. But then Resurrection F came and he looked rather derpy.

Finally, there's the scene where Vegeta suggests to bring Gohan to the Universe 6 Tournament and Goku's like "Pfft, fuck Gohan! He's a nerd... he can't even find his gi!".

Let me reiterate, I'm not one of those self-inserting Gohan fans who want SSJ2 "badassery" but I think Gohan should treated with way more respect than given by the man.
I agree Akira Toriyama could revamp Gohan to be more self-reliant (like FutureGohan) but i very strongly disagree that Gohan from Z to ResurrectionF deserves any credibility beyond 15%.

To me Gohan hasn't done much of anything in the way of showing initiative since age 3 or 4.
3 or 4 Gohan & FutureGohan was awesome to me, then his 1st time training under Piccolo his appeal as a character for me just dropped, total nose dive.

Nearly every step to get where he is in power was handed to him by someone else.
SuperSaiyan, AscendedSaiyan, Ultimate, handed to him & wasted, Gohan to me showed zero initiative to reach any of those levels on his own.

He spents more time either "wait for dad" or "what would dad do" so much so that Gohan isn't even his own man.

From where i stand Gohan deserves that derpyness, he should be either revamped or killed off permanently.
 

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DBZAOTA482 said:
Originally, I thought the whole "Gohan is a nerdy loser" thing was concoded by Toei but it turns out it's mainly Toriyama-sensei's writing.... which is strange because I didn't think the Battle of Gods movie handled him too badly (he actually got to touch Beerus) unlike the Super anime's version where Beerus didn't even view him as worth playing with

Beerus never deemed as a worthy opponent in BoG either. He casually kicked his ass just like everyone else. Plus, I don't think that Gohan is a loser, just not as badass as he was before.

. But then Resurrection F came and he looked rather derpy.

Yes, indeed. The RoF arc overall wasn't kind to him. Getting humiliated by Frieza, witnessing his best friend murdered in front of him, Frieza threatening to kill his whole family...all of that just because he wasn't strong enough to stop him. So he had to rely on Goku and Vegeta...I actually pitied him. At least, the whole incident convinced him to train again (in Anime, at least).

Finally, there's the scene where Vegeta suggests to bring Gohan to the Universe 6 Tournament and Goku's like "Pfft, fuck Gohan! He's a nerd... he can't even find his gi!".

In the manga, at least.

Let me reiterate, I'm not one of those self-inserting Gohan fans who want SSJ2 "badassery" but I think Gohan should treated with way more respect than given by the man.

I don't think that Gohan was treated poorly, personally (in Anime at least, though in the RoF arc...damn you, Frieza). In addition to the fact that he was never intended to be a fighter, he has his studies (considering the job he want to do, he sure need to work his ass), a wife and a child to take care of, so it doesn't come off as a surprise that he doesn't spare much time to training. And considering how strong Boo was, and the series' tendency to escalate the powers beyond belief, it was pretty obvious that Gohan wasn't going to be one of the top-dogs again, unless he had a power-up falling from the sky (*cough* Ultimate Gohan *cough*) or is a mary-sue (and we don't want Gohan to be that, right?)

With that said, it's true that the RoF arc wasn't kind to him. I mean, in addition to the bad drawing (since when Gohan is THAT skinny?), he gets his ass kicked by Frieza, watch his friend getting murdered before him, has the life of his loved ones threatened, and he couldn't do anything to stop it simply because he was way too weak. This event convinced him to take his training again (in Anime at least) to be able to protect his loved ones. That is also in-character: Gohan's Saiyan nature comes not because he want to fight, but for a greater cause, dealing with the injustices around him. This is the reason behind all of his raging moments and that is also the reason for the creation of "Great Saiyaman".

As for Goku being "fuck Gohan", it was Manga only. In the Anime, Gohan actually wanted to come to the tournament to see the result of his training, but he remembered that he couldn't because he had a conference. And Goku was much more understanding of Gohan's decision. In fact, he even encouraged him to go at his conference, telling him that his studies are important.

So, in a nutshell, I think that DBS doesn't mistreat Gohan (as far as the Anime goes, at least. Guess that Toyotaro doesn't like Gohan). In fact, his characterization was handled pretty well. Everything that happened so far in Dragon Ball Super are simply a result of said characterization. You won't kick ass if you don't train for over seven years, even if you have good genetics: reality ensues here. And even then, I am confident that Gohan is going to make his comeback in the Multiverse tournament.
 

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Fearless Hit said:
withheldforprivacy said:
AT and Toei have a long history of introducing characters with promising potential
(Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan, Ubb) only to belittle them and keep Goku as the hero.
Pan made GT ratings fell down, Goten and Trunks are gag characters. Uub on the other hand in unknown yet on how Toriyama will use him as Goku keeps mentioning him on Super. :troll

Wrong. Pan didn't make GT's ratings fall at all, Goten and Trunks aren't gag characters, GOTENKS is, and Oob was useless in the manga, since he was introduced at the end of the series and the series wasn't supposed to continue until years later, when GT came out, and DECADES after that when Super came out.
 

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HUEBR_Tapion said:
Fearless Hit said:
withheldforprivacy said:
AT and Toei have a long history of introducing characters with promising potential
(Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan, Ubb) only to belittle them and keep Goku as the hero.
Pan made GT ratings fell down, Goten and Trunks are gag characters. Uub on the other hand in unknown yet on how Toriyama will use him as Goku keeps mentioning him on Super. :troll

Wrong. Pan didn't make GT's ratings fall at all, Goten and Trunks aren't gag characters, GOTENKS is, and Oob was useless in the manga, since he was introduced at the end of the series and the series wasn't supposed to continue until years later, when GT came out, and DECADES after that when Super came out.
Yes she did, the rating started fell down after episode 2 where ''Pan Blast Off'' went to space which made the audience disgust about it knowing that there wouldn't be Vegeta, Gohan and Goten and the ratings were never have been the same again. Goten and Trunks are trash and I'm glad they Toriyama forgets them. Oob is still debatable and using GT is trash anyway.
 
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