Vegeta vs Freeza Levels

Power Level Guy · Feb 25, 2025

Vegeta 4,000,000
~ Final Burst Cannon 6,000,000

Freeza 4,500,000
~ Speed-Up 5,250,000
~ Kick 6,500,000

I think I got this figured out now... Now, for Goku vs Freeza, does Freeza revert to his initial power, or his speed-up power when he first starts off against Goku?

GSM123 · Feb 26, 2025

I think

Kicking Goku = Initial
Death beams = Speed up
Kick = Warm up
No hands = New level

Hector · Feb 26, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
Vegeta 4,000,000
~ Final Burst Cannon 6,000,000

Freeza 4,500,000
~ Speed-Up 5,250,000
~ Kick 6,500,000

I think I got this figured out now... Now, for Goku vs Freeza, does Freeza revert to his initial power, or his speed-up power when he first starts off against Goku?

How's this?

In the first three forms, every power up gives Freeza 530k additional units of power.

Freeza 1st Form - 530,000
Freeza 2nd Form (initial) - 1,060,000
Freeza 2nd Form (power up) - 1,590,000
Piccolo (weighted) - 1,400,000
Piccolo (unweighted) - 1,750,000
Freeza 3rd Form - 2,120,000

Vegeta expects Freeza's final transformation to wield the same increase, and that's the power he believes he has a chance against.

Expected Freeza - 2,650,000
Vegeta (zenkai) - 2,500,000
Vegeta (planet buster) - 3,750,000
Freeza 4th Form (warming up) - 4,240,000
Goku (warming up) - 4,000,000
Goku (full power) - 5,000,000
Freeza 4th Form (no hands) - 5,500,000

Power Level Guy · Feb 26, 2025

GSM123 said:
I think

Kicking Goku = Initial
Death beams = Speed up
Kick = Warm up
No hands = New level

I think you may be right.

Power Level Guy · Feb 26, 2025

@Hector

Vegeta doesn’t think that Piccolo and Gohan can be of any help versus FF Freeza. Vegeta on the other hand thinks that Gohan and Krillen can help out against 1st Form Freeza

You need to make FF Freeza > Piccolo/Gohan by more than 1st Form Freeza > Gohan/Krillen.

Hector · Feb 26, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
@Hector

Vegeta doesn’t think that Piccolo and Gohan can be of any help versus FF Freeza. Vegeta on the other hand thinks that Gohan and Krillen can help out against 1st Form Freeza

You need to make FF Freeza > Piccolo/Gohan by more than 1st Form Freeza > Gohan/Krillen.

Not necessarily. Vegeta just wanted to take him alone because he was blinded by the "I've become the Super Saiyan" bs.

GSM123 · Feb 26, 2025

Piccolo: 1,687,500
Gohan (Enraged): 2,000,000
Freeza (3rd form): 2,650,000

Vegeta: 5,000,000
~ Final Burst Cannon: 7,500,000

Freeza (True form): 5,300,000
~ A little bit serious: 8,100,000
~ No hands: 10,800,000

Goku: 8,000,000
~ Full power: 10,000,000

Power Level Guy · Feb 26, 2025

GSM123 said:
Vegeta: 5,000,000
~ Final Burst Cannon: 7,500,000

Freeza (True form): 5,300,000
~ A little bit serious: 8,100,000
~ No hands: 10,800,000

I think it’s good to make FBC > Speed Up Freeza. It’s expected to kill him. It’s gotta be at least a little stronger don’t you think

Power Level Guy · Feb 26, 2025

Hector said:
Not necessarily. Vegeta just wanted to take him alone because he was blinded by the "I've become the Super Saiyan" bs

Both can be true. They can’t help and he is being blinded by the SSJ stuff too.

GSM123 · Feb 26, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
I think it’s good to make FBC > Speed Up Freeza. It’s expected to kill him. It’s gotta be at least a little stronger don’t you think

I think the difference between speed up and kick is just effort.

Power Level Guy · Feb 26, 2025

GSM123 said:
I think the difference between speed up and kick is just effort.

So do I. But effort = power in regards to ability.

SSJ2 · Feb 26, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
Vegeta
~ Final Burst Cannon 6,000,000

Freeza
~ Kick 6,500,000

This gap should be bigger, no? Freeza didn't even feel pain by the looks of it. Nappa was burned by the Masenko and it stung him.

Power Level Guy · Feb 26, 2025

SSJ2 said:
This gap should be bigger, no? Freeza didn't even feel pain by the looks of it. Nappa was burned by the Masenko and it stung him.

Could be the difference between a kick and a punch. What hurts my hand doesn't always hurt my foot.

I do have Freeza a slight bit stronger than the blast than Nappa was.

Do you think if Nappa kicks it, he gets his foot swollen?

SSJ2 · Feb 26, 2025

I feel like the point of the scene was to show Gohan was strong enough to damage Nappa slightly, so it would have hurt him either way.

GSM123 · Feb 26, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
So do I. But effort = power in regards to ability.

Kinda? Anyway I have speed up = 6,750,000.

Power Level Guy · Feb 26, 2025

GSM123 said:
Kinda? Anyway I have speed up = 6,750,000.

Remember this is the whole...

Freeza Kick > FBC > Expected Freeza type of thing.

675 is fine spacing for 600 FBC. It's probably perfect. I'm intent on keeping my 7.5 million for Base Goku. So I think I'm ok.

Power Level Guy · Feb 26, 2025

SSJ2 said:
I feel like the point of the scene was to show Gohan was strong enough to damage Nappa slightly, so it would have hurt him either way.

Could be for sure. It's a small issue. A few percentage points away. Sometimes I choose the aesthetic choice numerically instead of perfect spacing. But yeah, you are probably right. Should be a bit of a difference.

GSM123 · Feb 27, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
Remember this is the whole...

Freeza Kick > FBC > Expected Freeza type of thing.

675 is fine spacing for 600 FBC. It's probably perfect. I'm intent on keeping my 7.5 million for Base Goku. So I think I'm ok.

I don’t really care for this expected thing, but it’s accounted for here.

I wanted to try Goku at 7.5mil, but as we saw in the discord it was too tight.

Vegeta: 3,750
Gohan: 2,000
Piccolo: 1,687.5

I think Vegeta should be at least 2x Gohan, so 5,000 was better.

Power Level Guy · Feb 27, 2025

GSM123 said:
I don’t really care for this expected thing, but it’s accounted for here.

Yeah that’s the best method. A lot of expected levels don’t need to be shown but they need to be accounted for. The spacing needs to be there.

GSM123 said:
I wanted to try Goku at 7.5mil, but as we saw in the discord it was too tight.

Yeah it’s tighter than I like. I still want to play around with it because post super Saiyan I got everything damn near perfect

GSM123 said:
I think Vegeta should be at least 2x Gohan, so 5,000 was better.

At 4 million I have some decent spacing. Enough got Vegeta reasonably to claim they can’t help but is not perfect.

but yeah I think Vegeta at 5 is better I’ll have to look at some stuff

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