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Goku trained his spirit so it didnt work properly

Yea Grade 3 has higher raw power, which is why Trunks went Grade 3 to trick Vegeta

Wait wtf? P123 is online?!

Are Are you SoldierOfficial?

Not really. Going through some shit now so romance is not on the table sadly :(

LOL, it was one of the longer powerups in the series. It starts in chapter 294 while Piccolo is flying and ends only after Piccolo absorbs Nail and is flying over. Because he can transform?!?!?!?!? Also, you didn't answer my question. Are you scooty baker from Neo?

That's not how it works. We go by proven blatant things then implications Gohan was SSJ. The art clearly shows this. And even Toriyama clearly bothered to show us difference between the two forms Dabura being SPC level is not anything conclusive. Goku said Dabura is about as strong as Cell...

LOL so that entire power up sequence was nothing? Freeza charged at Vegeta and was shocked that the latter could keep up with him Btw, you scooty baker from Neoseeker? He would never expect Gohan's power to rise above his own

Gohan was SSJ wtf are people still debating this

Lol, nice arguments We literally see Freeza Powerup Arrogant prick like Vegeta is not gonna admit inferiority to anyone “lol”

Nope. Freeza literally powered up to full power a few panels before. Besides, he was royally pissed at Vegeta ruining his wish for eternal life and dashed at him in pure rage. And still failed to overpower him. Even then, Vegeta goaded Freeza into transforming. He thought they could still win...

I did. His response: It was all the powerups they received since Earth, where they were like 1K and the same guy has the balls to say I am making myself look like a fool

Literally impossible 250 is less than half of 530. A one shot gap Yet Freeza couldn’t overpower Vegeta. With such a gap Freezas first blow would have connected instead of the grapple scene

Yes I know. But the guy I debated this point on kept spamming that Ginyu has poor KI control, and so his attack didn't hurt He also uses Daiz numbers of Krillin/Gohan being 13K and 14K respectively and I tried telling him that its impossible as Ginyu was having his hands full with Krillin...

Then we do we see Gohan injured when jeice died?

Nice points all of you Some clown on other debating site told me "i make myself look like a fool" for thinking Vegeta wasn't 500k immediately after his Recoome Zenkai

If Vegeta never joined, how would this have gone? Krillin/Gohan Daiz numbers are 13k and 14k respectively, but their feats against a 23K Ginyu speak otherwise. Krillin himself was fighting him to a draw, and Vegeta even stated that they haven't beaten Ginyu yet because he looks like Goku What...

After Vegeta ate the senzu bean, did he immediately jump to 500k? It seems unlikely as he was still in awe of Goku's 60K power and Goku himself said he only "might" be able to beat Jeice What do you think?

Yea, Goku's gamble had to do with kids mastering the fusion. And it was a gamble because they had like only 2 days Goku was pretty explicit that if they master the fusion, they will be able to defeat Buu. He pretty much tells this to Chi-Chi

But Freeza is not using transformation, his 100% is his natural state Not quite. When SSJ Gotenks appeared Piccolo did note that he had the power, but wanted to check his speed There is no point to that if his power was lacking, as then he would just say he was too weak to defeat Buu. Also...