22nd Budokai Power Levels

[Fantastische Hure]

They do, but Tenshinhan gets the upper hand in the exchange.

That's what I'm saying then.

If Tenshinhan is >> Yamcha

But then is only >~ Yamcha with Wolf-Fang-Fist the increase could be quite significant

But the Tenshinhan wasn't >> Yamcha initially. They were actually quite matched. So Yamcha raised his power through the Rogafufuken and Tenshinhan increased his effort.

Tenshinhan (vs Rogafufuken) >= Yamcha's Rogafufuken >/>> Tenshinhan (initially) = base Yamcha

That's what I was saying. I didn't mean initially, but before Yamcha used Wolf-Fang-Fist again.

 

[ahill]

But Yamcha only did use the Wolf Fang Fist once. That's the fight when Yamcha used the WFF in the manga:

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Right after this, Yamcha decided to use the Kamehameha.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But Yamcha only did use the Wolf Fang Fist once. That's the fight when Yamcha used the WFF in the manga:

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Right after this, Yamcha decided to use the Kamehameha.

Sorry then. I must have mis-interpreted what Zoro was saying, but my point still stands that Tenshinhan was initslly >> Yamcha when he powered-up, but then Yamcha used Wolf-Fang-Fist and fought on-par.

 

[ahill]

 

[Six Trails]

 

[ahill]

I was only trying to learn to pick only one panel now that I have a photobucket haha. I'll delete it.

 

[ahill]

I don't find the "delete" option. If you can, delete it please?

 

[ahill]

King Chappa - 450
Goku (initial/vs Chappa) - 540
Chaozu - 570
Yamcha - 585
Tenshinhan (initial/vs Yamcha) - 585
Kuririn - 600
Goku (initial/vs Kuririn) - 610
Yamcha (Rogafufuken) - 700
Tenshinhan (vs Rogafufuken) - 725
Yamcha (Kamehameha) - 780
Tenshinhan (vs Kamehameha) - 830
Roshi (initial/vs Tenshinhan) - 810
Tsuru - 900
Roshi (more serious) - 925
Tenshinhan (more serious/vs Roshi) - 925
Roshi (full power/unseen) - 1,036
Goku (more serious/vs Kuririn) - 880
Goku (full match level) - 1,080
Tenshinhan (vs Goku full match level) - 1,200
Goku (full power) - 1,350
Tenshinhan (full power) - 1,315
Tenshinhan (Kikoho) - 2,000

 

[SSJ2]

@ahill1 why do Yamcha/Krillin look so impressed by Goku defeating Chappa if they are above that level?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Does Choazu = Chappa works?

 

[ahill]

@ahill1 why do Yamcha/Krillin look so impressed by Goku defeating Chappa if they are above that level?

Well, it has more to do with @SIAD's points. All of the three were surprised with Goku's power after he defeated King Chappa, but Kuririn said something like "you shouldn't go all-out from the start" while laughing. This could imply Goku's power is a bit dangerous but still within a level he could win.

Kuririn looks more scared when Goku revealed he didn't use his full power against Chappa IMO. Even Kame-Sen'nin, who is far stronger than the power Goku used against Chappa, looks a bit surprised, saying this could be bad for him.

Besides, Kame-Sen'nin (already knowing Goku wasn't all-out against Chappa) said that all of the three had chances of winning the tournament, which would be a bit nonsense if Yamcha and Kuririn weren't at least a bit stronger than Goku not going all-out.

Of course, there's also Yamcha saying he didn't think anybody could defeat Chapa-o that easily which could imply himself couldn't do it. This is a tough debate lol.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@ahill1 why do Yamcha/Krillin look so impressed by Goku defeating Chappa if they are above that level?

Well, it has more to do with @SIAD's points. All of the three were surprised with Goku's power after he defeated King Chappa, but Kuririn said something like "you shouldn't go all-out from the start" while laughing. This could imply Goku's power is a bit dangerous but still within a level he could win.

Kuririn looks more scared when Goku revealed he didn't use his full power against Chappa IMO. Even Kame-Sen'nin, who is far stronger than the power Goku used against Chappa, looks a bit surprised, saying this could be bad for him.

Besides, Kame-Sen'nin (already knowing Goku wasn't all-out against Chappa) said that all of the three had chances of winning the tournament, which would be a bit nonsense if Yamcha and Kuririn weren't at least a bit stronger than Goku (vs King Chappa) IMO.

Of course, there's also Yamcha saying he didn't think anybody could defeat Chapa-o that easily which could imply himself couldn't do it. This is a tough debate lol.

Why don't you just think that they rival Goku (vs Chapa-o), then?

I don't know whether I think that, but that could answer some of your problems (not all, but some).

 

[ahill]

By my numbers, Goku (vs Chappa) is 90% of Kuririn. That's a distant rival IMO.

 

[SIAD]

Krillin also was very impressed combat between Tenshinhan vs Yamcha (TB22) at the start.

 

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Of course, there's also Yamcha saying he didn't think anybody could defeat Chapa-o that easily which could imply himself couldn't do it. This is a tough debate lol.

Maybe Yamcha wouldn't come up with the idea of expelling a breath bomb.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Everyone were just hyping him.

 

[SIAD]

Of course, there's also Yamcha saying he didn't think anybody could defeat Chapa-o that easily which could imply himself couldn't do it. This is a tough debate lol.

Maybe Yamcha wouldn't come up with the idea of expelling a breath bomb.

I have the same opinion.

 

[Animelover5487]

Of course, there's also Yamcha saying he didn't think anybody could defeat Chapa-o that easily which could imply himself couldn't do it. This is a tough debate lol.

Maybe Yamcha wouldn't come up with the idea of expelling a breath bomb.

That argument sounds a bit reaching, Yamcha explicitly said he didn't think anyone could defeat Chappa that easily. There is no reason to believe it meant anything else but fighting ability.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Didn't Goku's breath bomb simplify the fight?