23rd Chappa
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If he stayed and watched the whole tournament then an argument could be made for him being stronger than Battle Level Goku.
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Yeah, you could say he's as high or higher than 22nd Tenkaichi-Budokai Goku. Kind-of in a where the last tournament left off kind-of way and to show how that's nothing in comparison to the powers in this tournament.
...but I don't.
...but I don't.
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1.5x-2x stronger than his 22nd self.
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And how strong is that exactly? Like stronger or weaker than who?withheldforprivacy said:
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Stronger than Crane Master, weaker than 22nd Roshi.
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Good timing Super. I actually doing my 23rd Budokai breakdown right now and I just asked myself this question. It's apparently more complex than I thought.
First question, do we think Chappa stayed for the whole fight, or left immediately in shame. It could go either way, he could have been embarrassed and got out of there quickly or he could have been in amazement of how he could lose and stayed to watch how it all played out. I will admit, it is hard to imagine Chappa staying for the whole tournament as a spectator, watching amazing ki blast feats and bukujitsu and other absurdities and for him to come in cocky like he did in the 23rd Budokai.
I think it's most reasonable for Chappa to have improved enough to beat the Goku who beat him. However, are we nerfing here? King Chappa's starting power is absolutely incredible. He's well above Tao Pai Pai for Christ's sake. If you gave a guy with power like that a mission in life, as in becoming stronger after being previously humiliated, he could absolutely get way stronger imo. If Krillen and Yamcha can make 10 fold gaps like crazy, what's so different about Chappa? He seems to be an all around superior warrior than those two if they weren't in the Goku gang.
Let's look at the context.
(As Goku faces off with Chappa)
Yamcha- Now we find out how much better he's gotten.
Seems very similar to their last meeting. They are using this fight as a guideline to Goku's new strength. No need to get into Chappa's quote for this post, we all know he's confident he will beat Goku.
(After Goku knocks out Chappa)
Yamcha- And I don't think he showed any of his real strength at all.
Piccolo- Even if this isn't his real power... Still I see nothing to suggest a warrior that might stand against me.
It's crazy they are having these kinds of comments at a time like this, beating Chappa means nothing considering how powerful Piccolo and Goku previously were. I mean, Piccolo doesn't think Goku got any weaker here right? Meh, this kind of power statement from Piccolo at this point is bad writing. Yamcha at least didn't see Goku vs Piccolo and could possibly be comparing things to 22nd Goku. Anyway.
Honestly, with those quotes, it seems better suiting for Chappa to be above 22nd Battle Level Goku, to make those quotes make any sense at all. In terms of being reasonable, no, Chappa should only have marginal improvements.
So I don't know, I'm going to have to think about this a bit more. If we take the story point blank, it's Chappa > Battle Level Goku, I guess it's just hard to swallow. Hell, Krillen, Yamcha and Tien being Piccolo Daimao's level is a hard sell as well, I guess Dragonball is just hax city.
First question, do we think Chappa stayed for the whole fight, or left immediately in shame. It could go either way, he could have been embarrassed and got out of there quickly or he could have been in amazement of how he could lose and stayed to watch how it all played out. I will admit, it is hard to imagine Chappa staying for the whole tournament as a spectator, watching amazing ki blast feats and bukujitsu and other absurdities and for him to come in cocky like he did in the 23rd Budokai.
I think it's most reasonable for Chappa to have improved enough to beat the Goku who beat him. However, are we nerfing here? King Chappa's starting power is absolutely incredible. He's well above Tao Pai Pai for Christ's sake. If you gave a guy with power like that a mission in life, as in becoming stronger after being previously humiliated, he could absolutely get way stronger imo. If Krillen and Yamcha can make 10 fold gaps like crazy, what's so different about Chappa? He seems to be an all around superior warrior than those two if they weren't in the Goku gang.
Let's look at the context.
(As Goku faces off with Chappa)
Yamcha- Now we find out how much better he's gotten.
Seems very similar to their last meeting. They are using this fight as a guideline to Goku's new strength. No need to get into Chappa's quote for this post, we all know he's confident he will beat Goku.
(After Goku knocks out Chappa)
Yamcha- And I don't think he showed any of his real strength at all.
Piccolo- Even if this isn't his real power... Still I see nothing to suggest a warrior that might stand against me.
It's crazy they are having these kinds of comments at a time like this, beating Chappa means nothing considering how powerful Piccolo and Goku previously were. I mean, Piccolo doesn't think Goku got any weaker here right? Meh, this kind of power statement from Piccolo at this point is bad writing. Yamcha at least didn't see Goku vs Piccolo and could possibly be comparing things to 22nd Goku. Anyway.
Honestly, with those quotes, it seems better suiting for Chappa to be above 22nd Battle Level Goku, to make those quotes make any sense at all. In terms of being reasonable, no, Chappa should only have marginal improvements.
So I don't know, I'm going to have to think about this a bit more. If we take the story point blank, it's Chappa > Battle Level Goku, I guess it's just hard to swallow. Hell, Krillen, Yamcha and Tien being Piccolo Daimao's level is a hard sell as well, I guess Dragonball is just hax city.
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Can't help but think the point of it is to showcase his new power, just like last time.
JP Anime's take on the conversation flows much better.
I'm ok with Chappa making massive improvements, he's an elite human, training to the extreme for 3 years bringing him near the "human limit" according to King Piccolo is quite plausible.
JP Anime's take on the conversation flows much better.
I'm ok with Chappa making massive improvements, he's an elite human, training to the extreme for 3 years bringing him near the "human limit" according to King Piccolo is quite plausible.
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p123 said:
But Chappa seemed past his prime.
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Pretty good post P.
I think Piccolo Junior pretty much knew Goku wasn't going all out considering Yamcha did as well. Yamcha didn't watch Goku vs Tenshinhan in the manga, he was just hearing the battle from the radio so even 22nd Goku's strength is a bit of speculation to Yamcha since Tenshinhan didn't go all out against him. I think he does know Goku didn't use all of his power to take out Chappa by the way he took him out, he effortlessly dodged his attack and hit him with a chop without an inch of effort.
I think Piccolo Junior pretty much knew Goku wasn't going all out considering Yamcha did as well. Yamcha didn't watch Goku vs Tenshinhan in the manga, he was just hearing the battle from the radio so even 22nd Goku's strength is a bit of speculation to Yamcha since Tenshinhan didn't go all out against him. I think he does know Goku didn't use all of his power to take out Chappa by the way he took him out, he effortlessly dodged his attack and hit him with a chop without an inch of effort.
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I think Yajirobe'd already be considerable above [less than half] old Piccolo Daimao for accepting to participate in the Budokai. He considered his defeat an embarassment so he obviously wasn't going there to lose that way and he knew Goku had the strength to defeat someone at least of less than half old Piccolo level.
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Well they all came to visit Karin and do the tower training, so they met Yajirobe and invited him to come fight. I really don't think Yajirobe is tremendously stronger from the first time we see him. Maybe double his power at best considering he's probably climbed that tower a few times and he probably trained at least a little in preparation for the tournament.
I doubt he's planning on beating Goku at all, I can give him a level of around 50% Old PD for maximum if we consider his tower training and basic training for the tournament. Unless he trained the whole time? It's tough to say.
I doubt he's planning on beating Goku at all, I can give him a level of around 50% Old PD for maximum if we consider his tower training and basic training for the tournament. Unless he trained the whole time? It's tough to say.
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Yajirobe is a beast. He is already 22nd Budokai top tier level without any expert training, without any teacher. He also surpasses Kami later on like the others and it seeems he didn't even intend to take the training seriously. I could see him surpassing less than half Piccolo Daimao through a 'not so vigorous' training, specially seeing how Kuririn and Yamcha reached a level close to young Piccolo Daimao. Less than half Piccolo is just nothing there.
