25th Budokai

[ahill1]

Mr. Satan:
Videl:
Idasa:
Ikose:
Punta:
Killa:

Son Gohan:
-- Super Saiya-jin:
-- after training:
----- Super Saiya-jin:
----- Super Saiya-jin 2:

Son Goten:
-- Super Saiya-jin:
-- after training:
----- Super Saiya-jin:

Trunks:
-- Super Saiya-jin:
-- after training:
----- Super Saiya-jin:

Artificial Human #18:
Kuririn:

Piccolo:

Kaioshin:
Kibito:

Babidi:

Pui Pui:
Yakon:

Dabra:

Son Goku:
-- Super Saiya-jin:
-- Super Saiya-jin 2:

Vegeta:
-- Super Saiyajin:
-- Super Saiyajin 2:
--- Majin:
----- Super Saiya-jin:
----- Super Saiya-jin 2:

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Mr. Satan: 000000.7
Videl: 000000.8
Idasa: 0
Ikose: 0
Punta: 0
Killa: 0

Son Gohan: 9
-- Super Saiya-jin: 90
-- after training:
----- Super Saiya-jin: 90
----- Super Saiya-jin 2: 180

Son Goten: 6-7
-- Super Saiya-jin: 60-70
-- after training:
----- Super Saiya-jin: 60-70

Trunks: 6-7
-- Super Saiya-jin: 60-70
-- after training:
----- Super Saiya-jin: 60-70

Artificial Human #18: 13
Kuririn: owned

Piccolo: 50

Kaioshin: 60
Kibito: 7

Babidi: 0

Pui Pui: 0
Yakon: 10

Dabra: 80

Son Goku: 11
-- Super Saiya-jin: 150
-- Super Saiya-jin 2: 300

Vegeta: 11
-- Super Saiyajin: 110
-- Super Saiyajin 2: 220
--- Majin:
----- Super Saiya-jin: 150
----- Super Saiya-jin 2: 300

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Mr Satan: 8.5
Videl: 9
Post training: 12
Idasa: 4
Ikose: 4,2
Punta: 5,5
Killa: 6

Gohan: 2,400,000,000
SSJ: 120,000,000,000
SSJ2: 360,000,000,000

Goten: 2,000,000,000
SSJ: 100,000,000,000

Trunks: 2,100,000,000
SSJ: 105,000,000,000

Cyborg 18: 1,800,000,000 or more
Kuririn: 60,000,000

Piccolo: 80,000,000,000

Kaioshin: 120,000,000,000
Kibito: 2,400,000,000

Babidi: 2

Pocus: 750,000,000
Yakon: 3,000,000,000

Dabura: 320,000,000,000

Goku (Suppressed): 3,000,000,000
SSJ: 200,000,000,000
SSJ2: 600,000,000,000

Vegeta: 3,000,000,000
SSJ: 150,000,000,000
SSJ2: 450,000,000,000
Potential Unlocked: 4,000,000,000
SSJ: 200,000,000,000
SSJ2: 600,000,000,000

 

[Flame]

Great Saiyaman Saga
Gohan- 60,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan- 3,000,000,000
Trunks- 40,000,100
Vegeta- 70,000,000
Goten- 40,000,000
Videl- 14
Goku- 80,000,000
Krillin- 4,563,000
Master Roshi- 139
#18- 480,000,000
Piccolo- 1,900,000,000
Super Saiyan Goten- 2,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta- 3,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks- 2,000,005,000

Tournament Saga
Yamcha- 4,544,000
Goten vs Trunks
Goten- 40,000,000
Trunks- 40,000,100
Super Saiyan Goten- 2,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks- 2,000,005,000
Round 1: Krillin vs Pintar
Krillin- 4,563,000
Pintar- 8
Round 2: Shin vs Majunior
Supreme Kai- 2,500,000,000
Piccolo- 1,900,000,000
Round 3: Videl vs Spopovich
Videl- 14
Spopovich- 10-20
Round 4: Kibito vs Great Saiyaman
Kibito- 30,000,000
Gohan- 60,000,000
Gohan Powering Up- 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan- 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan- 6,000,000,000

Babidi Saga
Vegeta vs Pui Pui
Vegeta- 70,000,000
Pui Pui- 10,000,000
Goku vs Yakon
Goku- 80,000,000
Yakon- 100,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku- 4,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku- 8,000,000,000
Battle Royale
Mr. Satan- 12
#18- 480,000,000
Mighty Mask (Trunks and Goten)- 40,000,000
Killa- 8
Jewel- 11
Super Saiyan Mighty Mask- 2,000,000,000
Gohan vs Dabura
Super Saiyan Gohan- 3,000,000,000
Dabura- 3,000,000,000
Goku vs Vegeta
Super Saiyan 2 Goku- 8,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta- 8,000,000,000
Gohan and Supreme Kai vs Majin Buu
Gohan- 60,000,000
Supreme Kai- 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan- 3,000,000,000
Initial Fat Majin Buu- 6,000,000,000
Dabura- 3,000,000,000
Fat Majin Buu Powered Up- 12,000,000,000

 

[Jeff Styles]

Mr. Satan: 0.007
Videl: 0.010
Idasa: 0.5
Ikose: 0.5
Punta: 0.5
Killa: 0.5

Son Gohan: 1050
-- Super Saiya-jin: 10,500
-- after training: 1,200
----- Super Saiya-jin: 12,000
----- Super Saiya-jin 2: 24,000

Son Goten: 900
-- Super Saiya-jin: 9,000
-- after training: 1,000
----- Super Saiya-jin: 10,000

Trunks: 950
-- Super Saiya-jin: 9,500
-- after training: 1,100
----- Super Saiya-jin: 11,000

Artificial Human #18: 1,000
Kuririn: 100

Piccolo: 1,100

Kaioshin: 1,600
Kibito: 1,300

Babidi: 10

Pui Pui: 100
Yakon: 1,800

Dabra: 10,500

Son Goku: 2,000
-- Super Saiya-jin: 20,000
-- Super Saiya-jin 2: 40,000

Vegeta: 1,500
-- Super Saiyajin: 15,000
-- Super Saiyajin 2: 30,000
--- Majin: 2,000
----- Super Saiya-jin: 20,000
----- Super Saiya-jin 2: 40,000

After the CG, screws all of the high ass numbers.

 

[ahill1]

@Jeff Styles --> why is #18 = Piccolo?

 

[Jeff Styles]

Oops, my bad. Meant to put in 1k.

 

[ahill1]

But still isn't it too close to Piccolo? I mean, she's 90% of him according to your numbers.

 

[Jeff Styles]

Perhaps. After all, I'm using Base Saiyans > Piccolo, but I don't think it's working out too well.

 

[ahill1]

Well, the problem with base > Piccolo is that the base kids aren't far above #18, if at all, and yet the kids aren't far below the adults via scaling from Goten's feats against Gohan. It's really hard to have the kids around #18 and yet the base adults above Piccolo, unless you go with adults far outstripping the kids or make Piccolo not too far above #18, both which doesn't fit so well. You can assume different multipliers for their SSJ if you feel so compelled in making base > Piccolo work.

 

[Flame]

Goten and Trunks's base also have to be below Piccolo based on Super Buu taking on Piccolo's characteristics and not one of theirs. Trunks definitely needed to transform into a Super Saiyan to take down #18, the suit limited his strength but if he's stronger than Piccolo or at least close then there would be no reason for him to transform seeing as how he could easily take down #18. The suit wouldn't affect him at all if his power was that high.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Base Trunks survived from Super Buu's punch and everyone doubt that SSjin3 Goku could do the same feat.

 

[Flame]

Base Trunks survived from Super Buu's punch and everyone doubt that SSjin3 Goku could do the same feat.

Super Buu was likely suppressed. There was no note of a change in power when Fat Buu became Super Buu. All that was said that his body had become more fit to fighting.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Base Trunks survived from Super Buu's punch and everyone doubt that SSjin3 Goku could do the same feat.

Super Buu was likely suppressed. There was no note of a change in power when Fat Buu became Super Buu. All that was said that his body had become more fit to fighting.

But Piccolo was able to know that Gotenks wouldn't stand a chance against Super but Fat Boo.

 

[ahill1]

Yep, base Trunks > SSJ3 Goku!

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Yet PL purists tends to ignore that.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, they tend to ignore Mr. Satan not being multifold below Kid Boo either since he survived a hit.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I'm thiking about bumping SSJ Kid Gohan to 180. The numbers for the Buu Arc SSJs (Gohan 120, Vegeta 150 and Goku 200) still the same, and Gohan can be "far, far weaker" than his younger self like Vegeta stated and Goku can be "perhaps" stronger than Kid Gohan. Any thoughts? With this FP Cell would be also bumped btw.

 

[ahill1]

Well, I think pre Majin Vegeta being at 83% of Cell Games Gohan is too much of a disadvanatge, honestly. Vegeta was pretty confident he was the strongest one in the airplane and he didn't know by how much Gohan had weakened... he knew Gohan got weaker, but the amount was a mystery, so I think Vegeta claiming victory with a whooping 1.2x disadvantage a bit far fetched.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah, i thought that to. But like you said Vegeta knew Gohan is weakened, but don't know by how much, so i think Vegeta's estimatives are about 144~150, or 160 at best. And remember that Vegeta is a pretty skilled fighter and has a hell of an amp on his attacks.