4th Form Freeza (GT) vs Super Janemba

[Southern Gothic]

I believe GT Freeza would take this with a fair amount of difficulty. He stated he was training in hell, and I believe he and Cell trained together, giving him a fair amount of gains. He also shows more intelligence than in some of his other appearances, orchestrating a plan that almost worked.

I am also allowing the Hell's Buster as a technique. For anyone who questions this, I am doing so based off of the GT card game, which gives it to Freeza as a solo ability.

Anyone disagree with the outcome? Janemba's reality warping powers would keep Freeza on the run in the way I picture this fight going down. Freeza would spam ki blasts as Janemba warped away, missing him. This allows Janemba to nail some heavy blows almost like Goku with IT. In the end that would only last so long, and Freeza would Hell's Buster his ass back to...well...HFIL.

Sorry for the long post. GT Freeza gets no respect. In my opinion he's the 2nd best Freeza, behind Namek. This includes FnF.

Fight takes place in Hell.

 

[Six Trails]

GT Freeza > Hyper Mega Rild > Base Rild > Gohan-Buu >>...>>> Super Janemba

Finger flick territory.

 

[Southern Gothic]

GT Freeza > Hyper Mega Rild > Base Rild > Gohan-Buu >>...>>> Super Janemba

Finger flick territory.

Well I'm just making sure! I have him above Rild as well. Consider this me confirming my own logic.

 

[Six Trails]

That's just how I interpret it.

Freeza and Cell stay behind to take on the main threat (Goku), while Rild is lumped with the trash sent to Earth to terrorize Earthlings.

I also believe S17 arc Rild = Hyper Mega Rild, since he was last scene with the Sigmas absorbed, and (presumably) died with them absorbed.

 

[Southern Gothic]

That's just how I interpret it.

Freeza and Cell stay behind to take on the main threat (Goku), while Rild is lumped with the trash sent to Earth to terrorize Earthlings.

I also believe S17 arc Rild = Hyper Mega Rild, since he was last scene with the Sigmas absorbed, and (presumably) died with them absorbed.

I agree with all of that. Plus, Rild was the last big villain we saw Goku fight before hell broke loose (Baby was nowhere to be found). I have to think Freeza, and Cell, would know they needed to surpass that guy to take on Goku. So I put him over Rild too (Sigmas Absorbed).

I picked Janemba since he towards the end of the movie run, and Freeza got squashed in dat.

Also, I think Janemba gets in some cheap shots, so as long as one hit lands I consider this a thread worthy battle. I also wanted to see who disagrees, as I'm sure some do.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

For the reasons already stated, Freeza wins extremely easily. I'm not so sure on the Base Rild (S17) = Hyper Mega Rild these days though, considering that unless you have Gohan making drastic increases in between the two arcs, you'd run into problems with him holding his own against someone far above Gohan Boo. It is somewhat implied by Oob being amazed Super #17 could tank Gohan's Kamehameha, but that could just be general Toei logic.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

GT Freeza will definitely win here since he stayed in hell which proves that he's worthy opponent to Goku than Rildo who should be stronger than Gohan-Boo.

Janemba can survive by his reality warping powers but he gets demolish by Freeza.

 

[Southern Gothic]

For the reasons already stated, Freeza wins extremely easily. I'm not so sure on the Base Rild (S17) = Hyper Mega Rild these days though, considering that unless you have Gohan making drastic increases in between the two arcs, you'd run into problems with him holding his own against someone far above Gohan Boo. It is somewhat implied by Oob being amazed Super #17 could tank Gohan's Kamehameha, but that could just be general Toei logic.

What about the fact that Oob took a back seat to Gohan when the Rild fight went down? The thing about the Super 17 arc is that it puts together a pecking order of things, in my eyes.

Goku>>>Vegeta>>Gohan>Majoob>Everyone else.

Majoob should be close to SBV2 in power. We never got to see where Gohan stands per say, as he is infected by Baby early on. So I have no problem putting him over Oob during S17. A stretch, yes, but not a big one for me.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

From what we saw, Oob didn't really act as a support in the Rild fight. His role consisting just of finishing Rild off was most likely due to being preoccupied defeating other enemies. Even by GT standards, Gohan going from weaker than Base Goku whilst in SSJ to on the same tier as Final Form Vegeta-Baby is unlikely, to say the least, especially with the slight implications for it being very loose ones. Not only that, but Oob being the one to distract Yi Xing Long would make it apparent that he was far more capable of defending Goku than the other Saiyans were.

 

[Southern Gothic]

He wouldn't have to be higher than Final Form Vegeta Baby, would he? He would only need to rival SSJ Goku on M2, who trashed Rild, even after absorbing the Sigmas. Gohan also struggled, so he wouldn't have to match SSJ Goku, just get close.

Wasn't Oob distracting Yi Xing Long because Goku needed to absorb the other Saiyan' s power when he goes beyond his limits? I figured Oob was the odd man out there, because he wasn't a Saiyan.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I was referring to your point of Gohan > Super Oob.

 

[Southern Gothic]

I was referring to your point of Gohan > Super Oob.

I mean it's hard to say, considering that everyone fought like fodder against Super 17 and in the Shadow Dragon Arc. There wasn't anything to give a separation between Oon and Gohan.

However, if you let the Saiyans keep some of their Baby power up, as well as add in the fact that Gohan became enraged against Super 17, and consider that the GT Perfect Files state that Gohan doesn't stop training, I don't think it's out of the question to allow him to catch Majoob.

I've strayed off topic though. Overall, I am just looking for confirmation that GT Freeza>Initial Rild>Janemba.

 

[Pyro]

Freeza sweeps Janemba under the rug as a blatant ripoff and forgets about him.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Freeza sweeps Janemba under the rug as a blatant ripoff and forgets about him.

Do you have any opinion on the Rild issue we've discussed? AKA, was Rild from S17 arc equal to Rild (sigmas absorbed)?

I'm working on something concerning GT Freeza for the Lab section, so I'm milking this thread a bit. I think the power of Rild helps determine the power of GT Freeza, for reasons I stated above.

 

[Pyro]

I don't care either way, personally. Go with whichever you choose, though I doubt Toei remembered.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I don't think Rildo got stronger since he was just there to get buried.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Janemba's level wasn't specified in the movie, so I have him roughly on par with Buuhan due to their significance; they could both destroy Goku & Vegeta without full effort, but got outclassed by their respective fusions. GT Frieza is implied to be at least stronger than Base Rilldo, who exceeds Buuhan, so I'd give this match to Frieza.

 

[Keedounan]

Frieza would annihilate Janemba.