A question I feel hard to put into a sentence for a title

[Fantastische Hure]

My question is...it's kind-of hard to convey. Basically who did you think had a bigger impact or you felt was more of a game-changer, Tao-Pai-Pai or Piccolo-Daimao? I guess impact might be the wrong word because I'm sure most people'd say Piccolo-Daimao for that. It's hard to formulate. Tao was the first character period to really outclass Goku and give him a definitive defeat. Piccolo-Daimao did too but he was also probably the first truly hopeless, this might be the end type of villain. Maybe my question is which did you think was more important or you felt was more impactful or who was more scary?

This thread is all over the place. I hope you understand though.

[mention]Supreme[/mention] your challenge has been fulfilled.

 

[SSJ2]

Nah your point came across fine..

I’d have to choose Piccolo Daimao. Piccolo’s impact on the story goes beyond himself.. He is responsible for the introduction of Kami, he gives birth to the next villain, and major character Piccolo.. While Tao Pai Pai is likely responsible for Goku taking things mire seriously, I can’t see his influence on the story being as high.

Also Pikkoro Daimao was scarier. Especially Old Meng Piccolo Aimao.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, the old meng version looked creepy af (crazy strong giant grandpa). Especially when he spit the eggs out. Creepy.

Which one left more of an impression on you? Like when you watched/read for the first time were like I can't wait until the next chapter/episode.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Taopaipai succeeded in bringing more serious elements to the story when featuring the first somewhat significant character death for an innocent character as well as providing Goku with his first utter defeat.

However, his impact on the story ends there. Piccolo Daimao, on the other hand, brought those factors up to another level of scale with 2 deaths of the main cast on his hands (vicariously 3 when taking into account Tambourine killing Kuririn), him killing Shenron set up the possibility of him being a final villain, the destructive scale of his fight with Goku would propel the use of destructive feats as a measuring stick in future fights and the legacy he had through Kami and Piccolo was far more than Taopaipai did. Legacy-wise, all Tao had was some plot continuity with Tsuru Sennin, Tenshithands and Chaozu, all of whom's plot relevance had a far shorter lifespan than Big Green's.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah, the old meng version looked creepy af (crazy strong giant grandpa). Especially when he spit the eggs out. Creepy.

Which one left more of an impression on you? Like when you watched/read for the first time were like I can't wait until the next chapter/episode.

Definitely Piccolo. Tambourine killing Krillin at the Budokai gave the Piccolo Daimao arc a lot more gravity. When we first saw Old Meng Piccolo in Pilaf’s ship (when he was 50 feet tall lol), he brought genuine fear into the story. You could just tell that this guy should not be fucked with.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I don't think there's anything I can add here since the bove poster already said it all. King Piccolo is when the show just got real. He killed directly/indirectly Roshi, Choutzu Krillin and other warriors who participated on Budokai. It also introduced a lot of things later in the series like his origin as Kami's evil self and being a Nemekian which played a huge role.

 

[ahill1]

Tão Pai Pai tô me. Besides defeating Blue, a former threat, in a rather convincing and funny/ridiculous way, he was the first one to completely outclass Goku as far as I'm aware. Piccolo had more of a build up with the emphasis put on him by Roshi, though.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, maybe I meant which would people consider bigger news back when they first watched the series.

 

[SSJ2]

Piccolo.

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo.

You are factually wrong. Tao Pai Pai gave way more of a "this guy is bad news" feeling.

 

[SSJ2]

The only things Tao Pai Pai did were kill Blue with his tongue, and throw that pillar. Outside of that I have trouble thinking of what he even did. The vibe he gave off was far less serious than Piccolo. Hell, Piccolo’s introduction made him look about as menacing as any villain in the series..

He was literally a 20 foot tall monster who was said to be beyond the realm of imagination for Prime Roshi, Tsuru, and Mutaito. Whilst he did shrink in size physically after this, actions such as blowing up a city to prove a point made Piccolo come across as “bad news” far more than Tao Pai Pai ever did.

 

[ahill1]

The only things Tao Pai Pai did were kill Blue with his tongue, and throw that pillar. Outside of that I have trouble thinking of what he even did. The vibe he gave off was far less serious than Piccolo. Hell, Piccolo’s introduction made him look about as menacing as any villain in the series..

He was literally a 20 foot tall monster who was said to be beyond the realm of imagination for Prime Roshi, Tsuru, and Mutaito. Whilst he did shrink in size physically after this, actions such as blowing up a city to prove a point made Piccolo come across as “bad news” far more than Tao Pai Pai ever did.

True. I was joking with the "factually wrong". But I dunno, I was basing it on the feeling I had when I saw both. I can agree that Piccolo was introducced as a more serious villain, as DB still had a certain joke tune during the Tao's sequence, but he gets some points for being the first one to humilliate Goku during a fight imo. He also killing a former threat with his tonge was also a pretty good way to portray him as this bad news, with Black being baffled at the thought of commander Red even thinking in resorting to hiring Tao Pai Pai's services.

 

[SSJ2]

Yea I know you were joking, just felt like posting my reasoning.

Tao definitely gets some points.. I agreed with that in my initial post. Tao Pai Pai is responsible for making the story take a more serious turn. He dominated Goku, who up to that point had things pretty easy. He kind of set the series in motion, at least as far as power gains go.. He’s important to the story for sure, however I can’t see his overall impact being as large.

 

[ahill1]

He alao had that feat of throwing the pillar stone and riding on it on a 2000km (iirc) journey, which was just... woaah.

 

[SSJ2]

Yea.. I mean cool feats for sure, but his actions dont have nearly the same gravity as Pikkoro Daimao's

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Piccolo's action impacted Goku's life at that time. Killing his friends directly/indirectly and what was worse was that Shenron was killed as well which mean his friends and the Budokai participants would be dead forever and their soul wouldn't "go on".

 

[SSJ2]

Don't forget that Tao Pai Pai killed Goku's father figure, Bora.

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo's action impacted Goku's life at that time. Killing his friends directly/indirectly and what was worse was that Shenron was killed as well which mean his friends and the Budokai participants would be dead forever and their soul wouldn't "go on".

That was a while after his introduction though. I think FH questions pertains more to who seemed more menacing when introduced.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Piccolo's action impacted Goku's life at that time. Killing his friends directly/indirectly and what was worse was that Shenron was killed as well which mean his friends and the Budokai participants would be dead forever and their soul wouldn't "go on".

That was a while after his introduction though. I think FH questions pertains more to who seemed more menacing when introduced.

That's not what he said but even if we assumed that was what he said, still King Piccolo's introduction was a big deal. You got to see Roshi demanding Goku seriously to not follow Tamborine which pretty much shows you how serious was that.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I meant something I just can't put my finger on what exactly it is.