ahill's Dragon Ball Battle Power List

[ahill1]

<big>Son Goku arc</big>

Bear Bandit 32

Kuririn 35

Yamcha 45
~ Rogafufuken 52.5

Son Goku 50

Gyumao 95

Muten Roshi 148


<big>21st Budokai</big>

Orin Temple Bullies 45

Yamcha 60
~ Rogafufuken 70

Giran 80

Kuririn 100

Namu 145

Muten Roshi 148

Son Goku ( W/o Tail ) 110
~ W/ Tail 150


<big>Red Ribbon Army Part 1</big>

Colonel Silver 50

Ninja Murasaki 93

Sergeant Metallic 125

Son Goku 150

Android 8 170


<big>Red Ribbon Army Part 2</big>

Kuririn 100

Pirate Robot 120

General Blue 135

Son Goku 168.75

Tao Pai Pai 370

Son Goku ( Post Karin ) 420

Karin 960


<big>Uranai Baba Arc</big>

Dracula Man 53

Invisible Man 55

Yamcha 60
~ Rogafufuken 70

Kuririn 100

Mummy 170

Akkuman 255

Son Gohan 406

Son Goku 420


<big>22nd Budokai</big>

Chapa-o 420

Chaozu 470

Yamcha 485

Kuririn 500

Tsuru 625

Muten Roshi ( Vs Ten ) 666
~ Full Power ( Unseen ) 750

Tenshinhan 980

Son Goku ( Initial ) 504
~ Little More Serious ( Vs Kuririn ) 625
~ Full Match Level 800
~ Battle Level 1,000


<big>Flashback</big>

Tsuru ( Young ) 855

Roshi ( Young ) 860

Mutaito 950


<big>Piccolo Daimao Arc</big>

Kuririn 500

Cymbal 562.5

Tambourine 800

Yajirobe 888

Karin 960

Tenshinhan 980

Son Goku 1,000

Piccolo Daimao Old ( Initial ) 950
~ 40% 2,000
~ 100% ( Unseen ) 5,000

Drum 1,600

Piccolo Daimao Young ( Initial ) 6,667
~ Full Power 9,750

Son Goku ( Post Sacred Water ) 10,000

Mr. Popo 18,000

Kami 36,000


<big>23rd Budokai</big>

Chapa-o 562.5

Chaozu 4,167

Yajirobe 4,666

Chi Chi 5,000

Cyborg Tao 6,667

Yamcha 8,200

Kuririn 8,500

Tenshinhan 12,000

Kami 36,000
~ ( Shen ) 32,400

Piccolo Jr. ( Initial ) 9,000
~ Powered Up ( Vs Kuririn ) 10,300
~ Vs Shen 36,000
~ Warm Up ( Vs Goku ) 36,000
~ Full Power 60,000

Son Goku ( Weighted )
----------------------speed 10,000
----------------------strength 12,500
~ W/ o Weights ( Vs Ten ) 18,000
~ Tenshinhan's estimation 27,000
~ Warm Up ( Vs Piccolo ) 36,000
~ Full Power 61,000

 

[Lightsworn]

Goku(vs Krillin) is a bit stronger than Roshi's full power.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku(vs Krillin) is a bit stronger than Roshi's full power.

can't be through-out the whole fight, i think

 

[ahill1]

Goku(vs Krillin) is a bit stronger than Roshi's full power.

Yea, and I have him stronger.

Roshi ( Full Power ) 750
Son Goku ( Full Match Level Vs Kuririn ) 800

 

[Lightsworn]

Goku held back his punches to merely knock Krillin out of the ring, which is the opposite of going all out.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku held back his punches to merely knock Krillin out of the ring, which is the opposite of going all out.

he pulled his punches, ye

but so can a super-saiyan 3 pull his punches

pulling punches =/= suppressing

 

[Lightsworn]

It's practically the same thing. If Goku is not using all the power in his punches, then the force power of his punches will be weaker either way

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It's practically the same thing. If Goku is not using all the power in his punches, then the force power of his punches will be weaker either way

ye

i didn't argue that, did i???

his power was essentially still at the level of full-power match-level, so was his speed (as u can see by their re-actions)

the only thing goku did was pull his punches so that kuririn didn't get srsly injured (which was obvsly stated by tenshinhan too)

 

[Lightsworn]

can Roshi sense Ki? I don't know, I haven't read it in a while.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

can Roshi sense Ki? I don't know, I haven't read it in a while.

i don't rly knw whether he can

but i guess he could match 1's speed to their power & come to a conclusion or do it the same way tenshinhan did

 

[Six Trails]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15533&start=1540#p1008152
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15533&start=1540#p1008223

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[ahill1]

Yeah, Roshi only deemed to have been overcome when Goku increased his speed against Krillin, so I think before that Roshi had not yet been overcome.

Goku ( Initial ) 504
~ Little more serious ( Vs Kuririn ) 625
~ Full Match Levels 800

Roshi ( Full Power ) 750

I like to think that Goku ( Initial Vs Kuririn ) has the same power he used against Chapa, and Goku ( Little more serious vs Kuririn) has the same power as Tsuru Sen'nin.

 

[Lightsworn]

can Roshi sense Ki? I don't know, I haven't read it in a while.

i don't rly knw whether he can

but i guess he could match 1's speed to their power & come to a conclusion or do it the same way tenshinhan did

We don't know if he did that though. If he can't sense Ki, then the only thing he would have to go off of is the force of his blows, which were held back. He did the same thing when Goku created a strong wind with his punch to knock Chi Chi out of the ring.

 

[ahill1]

I like Fantastische Hure's explanation that Roshi could match Goku's speed to his power... well put. Besides this Roshi can judge someone strength based on his movements as did Vegeta with 19. Roshi only feel surpassed after see Goku speed up.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

can Roshi sense Ki? I don't know, I haven't read it in a while.

i don't rly knw whether he can

but i guess he could match 1's speed to their power & come to a conclusion or do it the same way tenshinhan did

We don't know if he did that though. If he can't sense Ki, then the only thing he would have to go off of is the force of his blows, which were held back. He did the same thing when Goku created a strong wind with his punch to knock Chi Chi out of the ring.

if tenshinhan can do it, why can't master-roshi???

also he can't feel the blows goku kocked kuririn out of the ring with, he could jst think kuririn is expetionally tough. see how that works???

wot he can feel/see tho is goku's speed & that's wot he went by

 

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1. Raise Metallic to 140; Goku implied he'd have a chance of winning the 21st TB.
2. Korin too strong. Before losing the flask, he was sweating to dodge Goku. I'd put him slightly ahead of that
version of Goku.
3. Raise the gap Dracula/Invisible.
4. Goku started against Krillin with more power than what he'd used against Chappa.
5. Tambourine/Cymbal was stated as a multifold gap.
6. Weighted Goku's speed is probably not exactly the same as 3 years ago. Tien said his speed hasn't
changed much, which means it has changed a little. Place it at 10.500

 

[Six Trails]

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[ahill1]

1. Raise Metallic to 140; Goku implied he'd have a chance of winning the 21st TB.
2. Korin too strong. Before losing the flask, he was sweating to dodge Goku. I'd put him slightly ahead of that
version of Goku.
3. Raise the gap Dracula/Invisible.
4. Goku started against Krillin with more power than what he'd used against Chappa.
5. Tambourine/Cymbal was stated as a multifold gap.
6. Weighted Goku's speed is probably not exactly the same as 3 years ago. Tien said his speed hasn't
changed much, which means it has changed a little. Place it at 10.500

1) Sure, but Goku was not going all out against Metallic.

2) I also think he is bit too strong, but it was only said that Goku surpassed him after the 22nd TB; Furthermore you have to remember that Karin trained Tenshinhan ... I do not think he would be able to train Ten if he were much weaker than him.

3) Not much room for it ... Dracula Man has to be stronger than the Orin Temple Bullies, but the Invisible Man has to be weaker than Yamcha (21st Budokai) ... there is little space for this.

4) Who said that; I don't like think that Goku ( initial vs kuririn ) > Goku ( initial vs chapa ) because Chapa is still a big deal; Yamcha thought that nobody could take out Chapa that easily, so I don't like having Kuririn that stronger than King Chapa.

5) Yea, but Cymbal must be stronger than Kuririn ( 22nd Budokai ); unless you think that Goku ( 22nd Budokai ) is several times stronger than Kuririn ( 22nd Budokai ).

6) You're right.

 

[ahill1]

1) Sure, but Goku was not going all out against Metallic.

2) I also think he is bit too strong, but it was only said that Goku surpassed him after the 22nd TB; Furthermore you have to remember that Karin trained Tenshinhan ... I do not think he would be able to train Ten if he were much weaker than him.

3) Not much room for it ... Dracula Man has to be stronger than the Orin Temple Bullies, but the Invisible Man has to be weaker than Yamcha (21st Budokai) ... there is

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. Raise Metallic to 140; Goku implied he'd have a chance of winning the 21st TB.
2. Korin too strong. Before losing the flask, he was sweating to dodge Goku. I'd put him slightly ahead of that
version of Goku.
3. Raise the gap Dracula/Invisible.
4. Goku started against Krillin with more power than what he'd used against Chappa.
5. Tambourine/Cymbal was stated as a multifold gap.
6. Weighted Goku's speed is probably not exactly the same as 3 years ago. Tien said his speed hasn't
changed much, which means it has changed a little. Place it at 10.500

1) Sure, but Goku was not going all out against Metallic.

2) I also think he is bit too strong, but it was only said that Goku surpassed him after the 22nd TB; Furthermore you have to remember that Karin trained Tenshinhan ... I do not think he would be able to train Ten if he were much weaker than him.

3) Not much room for it ... Dracula Man has to be stronger than the Orin Temple Bullies, but the Invisible Man has to be weaker than Yamcha (21st Budokai) ... there is little space for this.

4) Who said that; I don't like think that Goku ( initial vs kuririn ) > Goku ( initial vs chapa ) because Chapa is still a big deal; Yamcha thought that nobody could take out Chapa that easily, so I don't like having Kuririn that stronger than King Chapa.

5) Yea, but Cymbal must be stronger than Kuririn ( 22nd Budokai ); unless you think that Goku ( 22nd Budokai ) is several times stronger than Kuririn ( 22nd Budokai ).

6) You're right.

1. That doesn't mean he held back a great deal. How about...
Goku (holding back)- 135
Metallic- 140
Goku (max)- 150

2. Did he train Tien in the manga too?

3. Perhaps you could raise Yamcha a little?

4. After defeating Chappa, Goku said he hadn't gone all out. When he was about to fight Krillin, he warned
him he's going all out. Even though he lied, that implies he would start harder at that fight. Besides, if Krillin
was at the level Goku used against Chappa and he heard Goku saying that wasn't his max, why did he still
have a little confidence before their fight?

5. Why does Cymbal have to be stronger than Krillin?