All you need to know about the Boo saga [until Fat Boo was "revived"]

[ahill1]

Gohan has enjoyed peace for 7 years, making him considerably weaker than his Cell Games counter part, so much so that he's struggling against a Cell level opponent [Dabura], to whom he shouldn't have this much trouble with. Vegeta and Goku, on the other hand, have powered up quite a lot, so much so that now they consider a Cell-level opponent nothing special.

Majin Boo trashing Dabura also serves this purpose, to show how the new enemy is on another level compared to the last one, Cell.

So Dabura has basically this purpose, to show how Cell, who was a frightned enemy seven years ago, isn't much now compared to Goku, Vegeta and the new foe [majin boo], while still being a threat to a considerably weaker Gohan, who slacked off on his training.

I think that was all AT wanted us to know, without going too in depth about "was Gohan a ssj or ssj2" or "Kaioshin's retcon".

 

[SSJ2]

He's not proving that whatsoever if Dabra is Cell @ Goku tier...

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I agree. This whole part is just shit writing, but that seemed to be his underlying point.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah Evil Vegeta, I think that's the way I'll be seeing this whole thing now. Better to just focus in the main things, and I think that was basically AT's intents. I doubt he intended Dabura to be some low level of Cell (read: I'm not saying Gohan was a ssj2). He pretty much intended to show a Cell's level of power isn't much for Goku, Vegeta and pretty much nothing for this new foe (majin boo).

Kaioshin, even though being able to defeat Freeza in a single blow, is still pretty afraid pf a Cell level of power.

 

[SSJ2]

Not really when SSJ2 Kid Gohan was said to have barely been surpassed...

 

[Cell]

So, Dabura is the new Mecha Freeza?

There to show the audience that the upcoming big bad is even bigger and badder... by using what could only be a weaker version of the previous top tier (Mecha Freeza being clearly not at max, Dabura being comparable to Cell@Goku)... I don't mind it. <shrug> ...it's not the greatest writing but it's consistent, I suppose.

 

[Void]

If Gohan were drawn as a Super Saiyan 2 it would resolve a few issues, in my opinion.

And, as said above, new villains in the new arc usually line up with the top villain of the last arc. It's to show how far everything has come.

 

[ahill1]

And SSJ2 Gohan is way above full power Perfect Cell and noticeably so above SPC, so I don't see the contradictions. Dabura being at SPC can bring some problems considering he was matched by a considerably weaker Gohan, but he's just on the same general level of Cell. Just showing the old Cell who was a threat to everyone but ssj2 Gohan now isn't much for Goku and Vegeta, but still a threat to a considerably weaker Gohan.

I won't deny that Gohan was portrayed as a plain old ssj vs Dabura, but I chalk that up for AT just being inconsistent with his portrayal.

Anyway, the point here isn't to discuss Gohan's forms or these things, which was fruit of poor planning. It's just to pick the main point of everything, what I think was AT's intent, albeit poor planning due to the way he played it out.

 

[SSJ2]

AT just being inconsistent with his portrayal.

Come on, don't be stupid. He draws it correctly within the same chapter for Goku and Vegeta, there is no inconsistency.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Gohan fighting Dabra>Budokai Gohan

Shitty ass writing? Definitely. That's stated, though.

Goku comparing Dabra to the Cell he fought was something I always went along with, but that makes more sense under the context of Dabra (Goku assumed that wasn't his full-power) holding-back being compared to Cell. He was said to be a lot stronger later by Goku. Cell also showed like many different levels there.

 

[Void]

It all falls back on AT drawing Gohan as a Super Saiyan during the fight with Dabra though. I hate the "AT forgot SS2" argument because AT draws Majin Vegeta and SS2 Goku just fine, he even later on has Goku explain the forms fully.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I've always summed it up this way:

-Gohan was drawn as a Super Saiyan.
-Gohan was written as a Super Saiyan 2.

 

[ahill1]

AT just being inconsistent with his portrayal.

Come on, don't be stupid. He draws it correctly within the same chapter for Goku and Vegeta, there is no inconsistency.

Ugh, I didn't mean he forgot to add sparks to Gohan or anything like that. What I meant is that him choosing to make Gohan as a SSJ was inconsistent taking into account other aspects of the narrative, not that he drew wrong or anything like that.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Gohan has enjoyed peace for 7 years, making him considerably weaker than his Cell Games counter part, so much so that he's struggling against a Cell level opponent [Dabura], to whom he shouldn't have this much trouble with. Vegeta and Goku, on the other hand, have powered up quite a lot, so much so that now they consider a Cell-level opponent nothing special.

Majin Boo trashing Dabura also serves this purpose, to show how the new enemy is on another level compared to the last one, Cell.

So Dabura has basically this purpose, to show how Cell, who was a frightned enemy seven years ago, isn't much now compared to Goku, Vegeta and the new foe [majin boo], while still being a threat to a considerably weaker Gohan, who slacked off on his training.

I think that was all AT wanted us to know, without going too in depth about "was Gohan a ssj or ssj2" or "Kaioshin's retcon".

And what was the point of this thread's OP except to make you feel like the posessor of a big sized dick?

 

[p123]

I like that EV. Gohan was drawn as a Super Saiyan, written as a Super Saiyan 2.

I like the idea of Dabura being as strong as the last villain. Which is what AT usually does for every new arc.

Dabura is basically Cell now, not SPC, but regular ol Cell.

Gohan's SSJ2 has gotten so weak, he is only on par with someone a bit stronger than Cell.

Goku and Vegeta have gotten so strong they are a bit stronger than Gohan...

There was a massive gap between Gohan and Cell, so there's plenty of room...

Also, Cell having an aura while fighting Goku suggests Cell's power shouldn't be tremendously greater than that imo.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

If we go by Viz, Dabura can be SPC.

 

[p123]

How so?