Android 18 (ToP) vs Buuhan and SSJ Vegetto (Buu saga)

[supercat]

While little is known about Android 18's power, I feel she has a few feats that potentially puts her on par with Base Goku / Vegeta (ToP). Some of these feats even suggest that her power may actually sit a few tiers above the duo's base forms and is perhaps somewhere between base and Super Saiyan, particularly after defeating Giant Ribrianne.

Defeating Ribrianne - While Ribrianne's power can seem a bit inconsistent at times, I feel she's comparable to Base Goku / Vegeta at the lowest. Factor in her giant form, and she should be a good deal stronger than the Base Saiyans. Personally, I feel she is worlds ahead of anything the Buu saga had to offer, as far as strength is concerned; SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't even scratch Copy Base Vegeta, an incarnation of Vegeta that likely pales in comparison to the version of Base Goku that Ribrianne had to fight.

During her initial battle with Android 18, it seemed pretty apparent that while #18 held the edge in power, they weren't too far apart from each other. Upon realizing her giant form, Ribrianne was immediately able to gain the advantage. After struggling for a bit, Android 18 also appeared to have obtained what seemed like a power up. I mean, how else could she have defeated someone she was flat-out helpless against just moments before?

There's also her battle with some of the Pride Troopers, where she was able to casually toss Tupper, an opponent that was apparently crushing Base Goku. While one could argue that Tupper increased the amount of weight against Goku, this was never explicitly stated nor implied at all; therefore, the more logical explanation in my opinion is that Android 18 was simply strong enough to make quick work of Tupper.

So taking all of these points into consideration, I feel Android 18 probably started off at Base Goku-tier, but actually surpassed it via her power up. The following is what seems like a pretty decent interpretation of where she stands in my opinion.

SSJ Goku > Android 18 (vs Giant Ribrianne) > Giant Ribrianne >> Android 18 > / = Ribrianne = Base Goku / Base Vegeta >>>>>> SSJ Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > / = Super Buu > Mr. Buu

 

[SSJ2]

I don't have an answer to this, but was Base Goku not out of stamina when fighting the Pride Troopers?

 

[supercat]

I don't have an answer to this, but was Base Goku not out of stamina when fighting the Pride Troopers?

It was pretty early on in the tournament, so he was fresh.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

#18 oneshots anime-wise. Base Goku's feats point to him being significantly above BoG SS3 Vegetto as early as the U6 Arc and #18 more or less on the same tier as his ToP base self, who's 10x stronger than in the U6 Arc.

Manga-wise, she could get oneshotted, seeing as how she isn't implied to have gotten any stronger there, but considering the info on 's notes would imply she'll last as long in the battle royale as her anime self, I guess we'll just have to wait and see for her.

 

[Pocket-God]

Either Buuhan or Vegito would one-shot with zero effort.

 

[Southern Gothic]

18 wins.

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

Android 18 probably one shots both knowing how retarded Super is. I mean 18 can’t be too far behind her brother who can keep up with a SSB. 18 is probably Base Goku level who is well above SSJ Vegito and Buuhan.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

18 gets fucked.

 

[supercat]

There's no way Android 18 loses when all feats and logical aspects of power scaling are taken into consideration.

Buuhan and SSJ Vegetto (Buu saga) are both things of the past, and fighting at either of their levels is no longer an impressive benchmark.

There are a multitude of feats that suggest once Goku absorbed the ritual powers and began training with Whis, his base form surpassed a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto (Buu saga).

Some feats that help signify this include: stopping a charged up attack from Beerus, giving Monaka-Beerus a good fight, tangling with Final Form Frieza, performing decently against Hit, etc.

Android 18 has enough feats herself that suggest she is quite comparable to current Base Goku / Vegeta, so soloing the top contenders from the Buu saga should be a breeze. Especially when SSJ3 Gotenks was flat-out useless against a much weaker Copy Base Vegeta who pales in comparison to his current self.

Some of Android 18's feats that suggest she is comparable to current Base Goku / Vegeta:

-Casually tossed Tupper, someone base Goku was struggling against just moments before.

-Defeated Ribrianne - an opponent that was able to tangle with Base Goku and tank a blast from Base Vegeta after a brief beam clash. During said clash, it was also pretty apparent that Vegeta was actually trying.

-Defeated Giant Ribrianne - a vastly powered up version of someone who is comparable to current Base Goku / Vegeta; meaning, it is quite possible that this version of Ribrianne may even be a bit stronger than the Base Saiyans.

Below is a more conservative placement for Ribrianne and her giant form, assuming she was a bit weaker than the Base Saiyans.

Android 18 (powered up) > Giant Ribrianne > / = Base Goku / Vegeta = Android 18 > / = Ribrianne >>> Base Copy Vegeta > SSJ3 Vegetto >> SSJ2 Vegetto > SSJ Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > / = Super Buu > Mr. Buu

 

[Pocket-God]

Mr. Buu > Trio De Dangers > Base Saiyans

As I said before, either Vegito or Buuhan solos casually.

 

[supercat]

There is nothing whatsoever suggesing that the Trio De Dangers are above the Base Saiyans. Bergamo and Lavender are seemingly much stronger than Basil, who didn't perform all that terribly against Mr. Buu. So at most, Mr. Buu > Basil, with Lavender's power being debatable.

I also went over several feats that likely place Base Goku far above the likes of any Buu saga character. Without going through them again, here's a really obvious one... if Mr. Buu really is as strong as you're saying, why is it that Base Goku's performance against Monaka-Beerus, was incomparably better than anything Buu was able to muster up against the destroyer?

Base Goku was tangling with Monaka-Beerus, who was actually putting in some effort while seemingly treating the Saiyan like a worthy opponent. Buu's showdown against a much less serious Beerus was nothing more than an embarrassing struggle to survive. There wasn't even the slightest hint that Beerus was exerting himself even a bit when he nonchalantly smacked Buu back in his place.

Oh and another obvious one... Why is it that SSJ3 Gotenks, someone who is multiple times stronger than Mr. Buu couldn't even budge Copy Base Vegeta, despite the phony leaving himself wide open to a multitude of the young Saiyan's techniques?

And what about Ultimate Gohan? Beerus brought him down with one hit. If Base Goku was really weaker than Mr. Buu, he shouldn't have been able to stop a charged attack from Beerus since Ultimate Gohan was effortlessly batted away right?

I feel there's really nothing that supports the notion that Buu saga characters are still relevant at this point.

Base Saiyans = Android 18 >>>> SSJ3 Vegetto >> SSJ2 Vegetto > SSJ Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > SSJ3 Gotenks > / = Super Buu > Mr. Buu

The power comparison above is quite likely when feats and statements are taken into consideration.

 

[Pocket-God]

So despite The Trio being comprable to Mr Buu and Goku needing Super Saiyan to deal with them you think he's above SSJ3 Vegito in Base?

That makes what kind of sense exactly? :nickyoung

 

[supercat]

Only Basil was seemingly comparable to Mr. Buu, and Goku never even faced him one on one.

We don't know how Buu would fare against Lavender or Bergamo individually, let alone all three of them at once. However, seeing as how Bergamo gave Goku a decent fight, I'm guessing he would have destroyed Buu rather easily without the help of Lavender and Basil.

It was likely the Trio De Danger's teamwork moreso than anything else that had Goku cornered for a bit. He was not only outnumbered but he had poison to worry about; neither of which were circumstances Buu had to deal with.

Again, I pointed out numerous feats that place Base Goku and Android 18 far beyond any level of power Buu saga SSJ Vegetto is capable of. At this point, I can't imagine how SSJ Vegetto or anyone from the Buu saga could still be considered relevant against Base Goku or anyone around that general tier of power. If you don't wish to see it that way, perhaps it's best we just agree to disagree.