Anime

[GSM123]

Do you think it's fair to bring up Kai (Or even the Z anime) in arguments about the manga?

 

[Pyro]

No. It's still the anime, just engineered to be a closer representation of the manga, a.k.a. it's not the manga.

 

[Void]

It's all based off the manga. The manga is still the source material, so it takes precedence over everything else.

 

[Pyro]

Canon is messy with Dragon Ball because nobody seems to actually care as long as it's entertaining and makes money. But since there is a lack of confirmed canon, the original source material should by default always take precedence. It isn't like the case of Jurassic Park where the original author specifically said the movies and novels are separate. This is a matter of principle; the first that spawned everything is the standard if we have to judge.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say it's fair bringing them up if they help to enrich the overall quality or information within the series as a whole and don't contradict what the manga presents. For example, Gohan's time in the wilderness as shown in filler helps aid his character development and is worth bringing up in discussions about his character or Goku's implication of Base Boo Arc Vegeta >> Base Cell Games Vegeta during the Pui Pui fight in Kai being both consistent with what the manga shows and making it apparent Pui Pui isn't a complete joke. Using contradictive filler or that which obviously doesn't weld seamlessly into the manga such as Pure Boo being the strongest Boo should obviously be ignored when talking about the manga, however.

 

[GSM123]

I'd say it's fair bringing them up if they help to enrich the overall quality or information within the series as a whole and don't contradict what the manga presents. For example, Gohan's time in the wilderness as shown in filler helps aid his character development and is worth bringing up in discussions about his character or Goku's implication of Base Boo Arc Vegeta >> Base Cell Games Vegeta during the Pui Pui fight in Kai being both consistent with what the manga shows and making it apparent Pui Pui isn't a complete joke. Using contradictive filler or that which obviously doesn't weld seamlessly into the manga such as Pure Boo being the strongest Boo should obviously be ignored when talking about the manga, however.

Pretty sure that statement implies Boo Base Vegeta > CG SSJ Vegeta...

But what's the line between usable filler and contradictive filler? How contradictory is stuff like Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo, Vegeta tanking Semi Cell's Garlic Gun, dead Z Fighters vs Ginyu Force, etc?

 

[sei'taer]

Some of that is really contradictive

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I don't have a problem with it as long it doesn't contradict the manga.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Pretty sure that statement implies Boo Base Vegeta > CG SSJ Vegeta...

Not really. Goku only said he was far more intense than before, which need only be in reference to himself in equal forms.

But what's the line between usable filler and contradictive filler? How contradictory is stuff like Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo, Vegeta tanking Semi Cell's Garlic Gun, dead Z Fighters vs Ginyu Force, etc?

If it outright contradicts what was shown in the manga or how it was framed, it can't really be taken into account within the overall canon. For instance, whilst I believe the filler quest for the Choshinsui improved it's usage far more than Karin conveniently having it hidden away, it is in clear opposition to the original manga and shouldn't be used in canon debates.

As for the examples you provided...

Pure Boo > Gohan Boo - Unusable. Not only is it clearly not so when Gotenks Boo alone referred to himself as the strongest Majin, but the anime going out of it's way to change the statement regarding Vegetto being able to oneshot Pure Boo is quite telling.

Vegeta tanking the Gyarikku Ho - Really only contradictive from a gap perspective, since giving Grade 2 Vegeta more than a 1.25x advantage is probably pushing it. If not for that, it could fit into the manga in terms of choreography.

Ginyus on Kaio's Planet - Not really that contradictive when considering the GAINZ Big Green made in that time, plus it takes place at a time when those characters were off-screen. I'd say it's fine to use it as a benchmark for Yamcha, Ten and Chaozu's power when considering the implied power of Pre-fusion Piccolo.

 

[GSM123]

If it outright contradicts what was shown in the manga or how it was framed, it can't really be taken into account within the overall canon. For instance, whilst I believe the filler quest for the Choshinsui improved it's usage far more than Karin conveniently having it hidden away, it is in clear opposition to the original manga and shouldn't be used in canon debates.

How so? Did he say he has the water with him or something like that in the manga?

Pure Boo > Gohan Boo - Unusable. Not only is it clearly not so when Gotenks Boo alone referred to himself as the strongest Majin, but the anime going out of it's way to change the statement regarding Vegetto being able to oneshot Pure Boo is quite telling.

One could say Gotenks-Boo's statement was debunked as soon as Gohan-Boo was born though, so it wouldn't mean much anymore.

Vegeta tanking the Gyarikku Ho - Really only contradictive from a gap perspective, since giving Grade 2 Vegeta more than a 1.25x advantage is probably pushing it. If not for that, it could fit into the manga in terms of choreography.

I thought you didn't mind gaps that much

And how Vegeta tanking it contradicts the perfomance though? Is it because of him not tanking Cell's punch?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

How so? Did he say he has the water with him or something like that in the manga?

He did, whereas in the anime Goku and Yajirobe had to go on a quest to retrieve it.

One could say Gotenks-Boo's statement was debunked as soon as Gohan-Boo was born though, so it wouldn't mean much anymore.

Gohan Boo was a new form though, not Boo's original form of which he should be highly aware of it's power and was even shitting bricks at the thought of Vegeta reverting him to it. It's not as though the power of Pure Boo at the two different points in history should be at all different in the anime when Kibitoshin referred to him as the strongest Boo twice based on his experience.

I thought you didn't mind gaps that much

I don't, hence why I say that it's only a giant offence if you care about them.

And how Vegeta tanking it contradicts the perfomance though? Is it because of him not tanking Cell's punch?

Yes.