ASSjin Kid Gohan VS FP Cell

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Is this close enough?

 

[Keedounan]

Sounds like a fair fight. That said, I think Cell wins due to having the edge in techniques over Gohan, who aside from Masenko and Kamehameha, never showed any noteworthy technique.

 

[Zippy]

Cell would still win. I think its made clear the only way gohan was to win was by using ssj2

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Cell would still win. I think its made clear the only way gohan was to win was by using ssj2

He didn't learn how to transform into ASSjin though.

 

[Zippy]

its implied by the story. i dont see the point of ssj2 if a potential assj gohan was always enough (this is despite fact that goku displayed the forms to him)

 

[SSJ2]

Gohan gets stomped imo.

Gohan: 140
ASSJ: 280
SSJ2: 560

SPC: 540
FP PC: 350

 

[Animelover5487]

I have them equal:

SSJ Gohan = 40

- Grade 2 =80


Perfect Cell (Full Power) = 80


Thus, Cell wins due to his regen and superior fighting skills.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I don't think a MSSJ can transform into ASSJ, but, if we assume he can, Gohan wins.

 

[freezamite]

Cell would still win. I think its made clear the only way gohan was to win was by using ssj2

He didn't learn how to transform into ASSjin though.

ASSJin is clearly a pre-SSJ2 stage. Gohan wouldn't be able to turn into an ASSJin even if he wanted because he already had mastered the SSJ form to a point where his ASSJin is in fact the SSJ2.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Cell would still win. I think its made clear the only way gohan was to win was by using ssj2

He didn't learn how to transform into ASSjin though.

ASSJin is clearly a pre-SSJ2 stage. Gohan wouldn't be able to turn into an ASSJin even if he wanted because he already had mastered the SSJ form to a point where his ASSJin is in fact the SSJ2.

Nice idea. Why is your rep so low?

 

[freezamite]

He didn't learn how to transform into ASSjin though.

ASSJin is clearly a pre-SSJ2 stage. Gohan wouldn't be able to turn into an ASSJin even if he wanted because he already had mastered the SSJ form to a point where his ASSJin is in fact the SSJ2.

Nice idea. Why is your rep so low?

Well, you know my opinions aren't the most popular ones heheheheh

 

[Flame]

Gohan stomps

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Freezamite, i've got another idea. If SSJ2 is the ''correct'' ASSJ, could SSJ3 be the ''correct'' USSJ?

 

[freezamite]

Freezamite, i've got another idea. If SSJ2 is the ''correct'' ASSJ, could SSJ3 be the ''correct'' USSJ?

Mmmmm I don't think so. The USSJ was always labelled as an unbalanced transformation since the very beginning, and it was always only used to gain strength at the expense of speed.
Cell, who had the SSJ form completely mastered also performed the transformation (twice) only to show how ineffective it was, so unlike the ASSJ that actually was an effective way of increasing one's fighting capabilities and disappeared in favour of the SSJ2 once the SSJ was mastered, there was a reason nobody used the USSJ again in a fight.

As I see it, once you've unlocked the SSJ you have two ways to improve:

- Getting physically stronger, which is the most limited improvement (logical considering a SSJ is a Saiyan that has actually reached the limits of what can be improved through normal training, even if those limits can be surpassed as a SSJ).
- Mastering the SSJ form erasing the stress it provokes allowing you to fight at maximum strength.

Now, starting with the untrained SSJ, that's how I see it:
Untrained SSJ ----- physical training, mastering the form a bit ----> ASSJ (still a balanced form).
Untrained SSJ ----- mastering the form ---> FPSSJ (same SSJ transformtion at maximum efficiency) ----- (once the SSJ is completely mastered) physical training ----> SSJ2
Untrained SSJ ---- mastering the form a bit ----> USSJ (it's not an increase of PL, just a way to force the body to achieve higher strength at the expense of speed).

The ASSJ was left aside without the form having a single drawback but physically speaking the hair resembled a lot that of a SSJ2 (more spiky than the hair of a SSJ).
The SSJ3 was always a balanced form in terms of strength and speed, it only consumed too much energy for Goku when he fought against Bu (I'm sure that with more training the SSJ3 could've improved a bit in terms of strength, and a lot in terms of stamina drain) but I think it's a linear evolution of the SSJ2, in other words, it's a form achieved with a higher degree of both gaining physical strength and (to a much higher degree) mastering it.