Battle against the Artificial Humans

[ahill1]

Son Goku:
-- Super Saiyajin:
-- Super Saiya-jin sick:
----- after the Kamehameha Kamehameha:


Vegeta:
-- Super Saiya-jin:
----- Big Bang Attack:
----- tired:

Trunks:
-- Super Saiya-jin:

Artificial Human #19:
-- after absorbing the Kamehameha:
-- after absorbing Goku's chi:
-- after absorbing Vegeta's chi:

Artificial Human #20:
-- after absorbing Yamcha's chi
-- after absorbing Vegeta's blast:
-- after absorbing Piccolo's suppressed chi:

Piccolo:
-- without weights:

Kuririn:
Yamcha:
Tenshinhan:
Son Gohan:

Artificial Human #17:
Artificial Human #18:

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku: 19,200,000
SSJ: 960,000,000
Sick SSJ: 640,000,000
After KHH: 440,000,000 and falling

Vegeta: 20,000,000
SSJ: 1,000,000,000
Drained: 650,000,000
Big Bang Attack: 975,000,000
Post BBA: 500,000,000
FP Big Bang Attack: 1,500,000,000

Trunks: 18,000,000
SSJ: 900,000,000

Android 19: 450,000,000
Post KHH: 650,000,000
Post Goku: 750,000,000
Post Vegeta: 1,000,000,000
Armless: 500,000,000

Android 20: 480,000,000
Post Yamcha: 490,000,000
Post Vegeta's Blast: 515,000,000
Post Piccolo: 525,000,000

Piccolo (Suppressed): 16,000,000
Full Power: 800,000,000

Gohan: 18,000,000
Kuririn: 15,000,000
Tenshinhan: 12,000,000
Yamcha: 10,000,000

Cyborg 18: 1,800,000,000
Cyborg 17: 2,000,000,000

 

[Flame]

Androids Saga
Goku- 7,000,000
Gohan- 4,000,000
Piccolo (Weights)- 220,000,000
Krillin- 1,229,200
Yamcha- 1,211,000
Tien- 1,228,910
Dr. Gero- 280,000,000
Dr. Gero (Yamcha's Energy)- 300,000,000
#19- 260,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku- 350,000,000
#19 (Kamehameha Energy)- 300,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku (Sick)- 250,000,000
Vegeta- 8,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta- 400,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Energy Loss)- 280,000,000
Piccolo (No Weights)- 330,000,000
Future Trunks- 6,800,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks- 340,000,000
#17- 520,000,000
#18- 480,000,000
#16- 600,000,000

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo said Vegeta was sure to lose to #20 if he fought in that weakened state, meaning #20 >> post BBA Vegeta.

Do you think Vegeta was way weaker than #19 after having his power absorbed and could only win via an amplified blast? I don't thinks that's implied.

 

[ahill1]

@Yamcha: why does Piccolo's weight grant a 1.5x boost? Last time we saw it was around 1.25x and then it seems to have gotten smaller after the absorptions.

Vegeta post energy loss should be above post absorption #19.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

They don't know how strong the Androids are, so Vegeta just being << Sick Goku would be enough.

The fact he used an amplified blast shows that, but could also be him showing his power for the Z Fighters. But i have just pulled of those numbers, i never put Final 19 and Drained Vegeta on my lists.

 

[ahill1]

Then that would be contradicted, or there'd be a statement contradicting what Piccolo said. Do you think AT would put that statement there if it were meant to be interpreted in another way? Vegeta also resorted to making a bluff, further indicating he wouldn't get much if he were to fight #20 there.

 

[Jeff Styles]

Son Goku: 6,800,000
-- Super Saiyajin: 340,000,000
-- Super Saiya-jin sick: 270,000,000
----- after the Kamehameha Kamehameha: 210,000,000


Vegeta: 7,000,000
-- Super Saiya-jin: 350,000,000
----- Big Bang Attack: 400,000,000
----- tired: 70,000,000

Trunks: 6,600,000
-- Super Saiya-jin: 330,000,000

Artificial Human #19: 160,000,000
-- after absorbing the Kamehameha: 220,000,000
-- after absorbing Goku's chi: 225,000,000
-- after absorbing Vegeta's chi: 240,000,000

Artificial Human #20: 209,800,000
-- after absorbing Yamcha's chi: 210,000,000
-- after absorbing Vegeta's blast: 215,000,000
-- after absorbing Piccolo's suppressed chi: 245,000,000

Piccolo: 135,000,000
-- without weights: 270,000,000

Kuririn: 400,000
Yamcha: 300,000
Tenshinhan: 350,000
Son Gohan: 3,500,000

Artificial Human #17: 540,000,000
Artificial Human #18: 500,000,000

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Then that would be contradicted, or there'd be a statement contradicting what Piccolo said. Do you think AT would put that statement there if it were meant to be interpreted in another way? Vegeta also resorted to making a bluff, further indicating he wouldn't get much if he were to fight #20 there.

With that gap he would lose to 20. SSJ wastes a lot of energy, while Gero would be absorbing energy and getting stronger. Since it's stated he would lose, and not that he was weaker than 20, i can say Post BBA Vegeta >=< 20.

 

[ahill1]

Son Goku: 9,600,000
-- Super Saiya-jin: 480,000,000
-- Super Saiya-jin sick: 320,000,000
----- after the Kamehameha: 260,000,000


Vegeta: 10,000,000
-- Super Saiya-jin: 500,000,000
----- Big Bang Attack: 660,000,000
----- tired: 250,000,000

Trunks: 9,000,000
-- Super Saiya-jin: 450,000,000

Artificial Human #19: 230,000,000
-- after absorbing the Kamehameha: 298,000,000
-- after absorbing Goku's chi: 300,000,000
-- after absorbing Vegeta's chi: 230,000,000*

Artificial Human #20: 272,000,000
-- after absorbing Yamcha's chi: 275,000,000
-- after absorbing Vegeta's blast: 300,000,000
-- after absorbing Piccolo's suppressed chi: 330,000,000

Piccolo: 330,000,000
-- without weights: 400,000,000

Kuririn: 6,000,000
Yamcha: 3,000,000
Tenshinhan: 4,000,000
Son Gohan: 7,000,000

Artificial Human #17: 800,000,000
Artificial Human #18: 700,000,000



*I believe #19 lost quite a lot of power after Vegeta's beatdown, so much so that even after absorbing a lot of Vegeta's power he couldn't recover the power he lost. I think it makes sense considering how #20 said #19 would run dry if Goku kept pummeling him. Besides, both Vegeta and Piccolo seemed sure Vegeta would lose to #20 despite this latter doing nothing to prove he is way above post KMHMH #19, so I don't think Vegeta would resort to bluff if he had the power to destroy a way, way, way more powerful #19 compared to the original (base #19), considering as far as he knows #20 didn't absorb any significant portion of energy.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Those androids can't lose power, right?!

 

[ahill1]

Those androids can't lose power, right?!

I think they can according to what #20 said:

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P6.6
No.20: “…Kuh…! Th-this power up greatly exceeds my estimated data…Th-this is bad. Like this, No.19 will run out of energy before he steals any power…”

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Those androids can't lose power, right?!

I think they can according to what #20 said:

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P6.6
No.20: “…Kuh…! Th-this power up greatly exceeds my estimated data…Th-this is bad. Like this, No.19 will run out of energy before he steals any power…”

Weird, I thought they were said to have infinite stamina too. I guess not.

 

[Flame]

Those androids can't lose power, right?!

I think they can according to what #20 said:

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P6.6
No.20: “…Kuh…! Th-this power up greatly exceeds my estimated data…Th-this is bad. Like this, No.19 will run out of energy before he steals any power…”

Weird, I thought they were said to have infinite stamina too. I guess not.

I'm pretty sure that's how #17 and #18 work anyways. I believe something like that was said when #17 and Piccolo were fighting.