Broly pre zenkai vs Cell pre zenkai

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finally who is the best the legendary saiyan or the combination of the greatest masters

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Broly Pre Zenkai? Then he's just M8 Broly.

I have Broly just a FPSsjin tier and Cell before Zenkai is greater than that.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

FP Perfect Cell stomps him. I think Suppressed Perfect Cell could beat M8 Broly after a good fight.

FP Perfect Cell: 250
MSSJ Gohan: 125
M8 LSSJ Broly: 125
Perfect Cell (Vs. Goku/Gohan): 112-115
MSSJ Goku: 100

 

[Lord Beerus]

Perfect Cell wipes the decks with Broly

 

[Pointer]

I am curious of why do you all think that Broly is just mssj tier?

I mean do you all think m8 goku is 50% goku?.....No way because if so Trunks and vegeta are miles ahead of Gohan heck....even rivaling with goku.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

Perfect Cell wipes off the ugly smirk off his face.
Broly just beat up a bunch of people equal-ish to SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I am curious of why do you all think that Broly is just mssj tier?

I mean do you all think m8 goku is 50% goku?.....No way because if so Trunks and vegeta are miles ahead of Gohan heck....even rivaling with goku.

Goku is not 50% in the movie.

 

[Pointer]

Perfect Cell wipes off the ugly smirk off his face.
Broly just beat up a bunch of people equal-ish to SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta.

Broly tanked KHH like it was nothing, yet the same attack almost wiped cell out.


The key element here is the KHH tanking.....that is damn great feat.

And since m8 goku is cg goku....I just cant see the gap between goku and cell to be bigger than 2.5*

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

Off-guard, more charged up Kamehameha and a way stronger Goku.
Tanking in the movies doesn't mean jack anyway, as Return of Cooler has shown.
Even the manga doesn't care about the tanking ''gaps'', with Cell bleeding from Kamiccolo's hits yet tanking a blast later on.

No, Movie 8 Goku is not equal to his Cell Games counterpart.
He is put in the same tier as Second Grade SSJ Vegeta and the rest, while 50% Goku left Vegeta in the dust.

Kaio: Goku, it's possible that his power may even be greater than that of you guys.
Goku: He ain't here, but for him to leave this incredible Ki behind... This is the Ki I felt. It could be like Kaio-Sama was saying, his power is even higher than ours!

YOU GUYS, OURS.
If Goku was CG level, he wouldn't be put in the same tier as Vegeta or the others and instead be used alome as measuring stick.

 

[Pointer]

Off-guard, more charged up Kamehameha and a way stronger Goku.
Tanking in the movies doesn't mean jack anyway, as Return of Cooler has shown.
Even the manga doesn't care about the tanking ''gaps'', with Cell bleeding from Kamiccolo's hits yet tanking a blast later on.

No, Movie 8 Goku is not equal to his Cell Games counterpart.
He is put in the same tier as Second Grade SSJ Vegeta and the rest, while 50% Goku left Vegeta in the dust.

Kaio: Goku, it's possible that his power may even be greater than that of you guys.
Goku: He ain't here, but for him to leave this incredible Ki behind... This is the Ki I felt. It could be like Kaio-Sama was saying, his power is even higher than ours!

YOU GUYS, OURS.
If Goku was CG level, he wouldn't be put in the same tier as Vegeta or the others and instead be used alome as measuring stick.

No way.....why does m8 goku is weaker than cg goku?


We have to assume they are technically the same


You could try to prove me wrong with manga releases and movie releases but that is I guess nonsense

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The movie itself contradicted the Manga.

Goku and Vegeta shown to be close unlike the Manga, the gap is huge.

Gohan shown to be the weakest.

 

[Pointer]

The movie itself contradicted the Manga.

Goku and Vegeta shown to be close unlike the Manga, the gap is huge.

Gohan shown to be the weakest.

Again i think if goku is 10 then vegeta is 7 in the manga

That is not a huge gap

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

The movie itself contradicted the Manga.

Goku and Vegeta shown to be close unlike the Manga, the gap is huge.

Gohan shown to be the weakest.

Again i think if goku is 10 then vegeta is 7 in the manga

That is not a huge gap

That's a considerable difference really. That would probably be the same as Vegeta and Android 18 and she wasn't at all really hurt during their scuffle and she beat him pretty badly.

M8 itself is more based off of the Perfect Cell Saga rather than the Cell Games that title goes to M9. So the Z-Fighters should be as strong as they were then.

M8 Vegeta = SSJ Vegeta (Perfect Cell Saga)
M8 Trunks = SSJ Trunks (Perfect Cell Saga)
M8 Goku = Initial Perfect Cell

Your key factor in this whole thing is Gohan. During the Cell Games Gohan was the strongest amongst the group, while in M8 he's portrayed to be weaker than Piccolo.

 

[Son Gokū]

I'd say, but don't want the flames to rise again...

 

[Pakl]

Off-guard, more charged up Kamehameha and a way stronger Goku.
Tanking in the movies doesn't mean jack anyway, as Return of Cooler has shown.
Even the manga doesn't care about the tanking ''gaps'', with Cell bleeding from Kamiccolo's hits yet tanking a blast later on.

No, Movie 8 Goku is not equal to his Cell Games counterpart.
He is put in the same tier as Second Grade SSJ Vegeta and the rest, while 50% Goku left Vegeta in the dust.

Kaio: Goku, it's possible that his power may even be greater than that of you guys.
Goku: He ain't here, but for him to leave this incredible Ki behind... This is the Ki I felt. It could be like Kaio-Sama was saying, his power is even higher than ours!

YOU GUYS, OURS.
If Goku was CG level, he wouldn't be put in the same tier as Vegeta or the others and instead be used alome as measuring stick.

No way.....why does m8 goku is weaker than cg goku?


We have to assume they are technically the same


You could try to prove me wrong with manga releases and movie releases but that is I guess nonsense

Like you dont know

Cell stomps

 

[Lord Brofist]

Hey guys, you want to hear a funny story? Once upon a time Goku went into the ROSAT with Gohan...they came out super goddamn strong and didn't do jack shit for the next 10 days. What the honest to Kaioshin hell are you people talking about with this 50% nonsense?

There's absolutely no reason to put Goku below his CG level because for one, it doesn't make sense. We know that Goku doesn't get any stronger after leaving the ROSAT. M8 Goku would literally be equal to his CG level of power.

What did he somehow leave the ROSAT earlier? What's more so is that Goku's the top fighter in this movie. You could make an argument that Gohan isn't as strong as he is in the CG since he's doing worse than Goku and everyone else.

But Goku? Know he's the one trucking through while everyone else got one shot.

Now considering the KHH differences, there is no way in the simple minded world of Fat Boo that Movie 8 Broly is as low as some suppressed Perfect Cell that fought Goku. We know darn well he's way above that.

Way above being, Cell got blown in half and Broly tanked it with his massive Saiyan dick.

 

[Pakl]

Hey guys, you want to hear a funny story? Once upon a time Goku went into the ROSAT with Gohan...they came out super goddamn strong and didn't do jack shit for the next 10 days. What the honest to Kaioshin hell are you people talking about with this 50% nonsense?

There's absolutely no reason to put Goku below his CG level because for one, it doesn't make sense. We know that Goku doesn't get any stronger after leaving the ROSAT. M8 Goku would literally be equal to his CG level of power.

What did he somehow leave the ROSAT earlier? What's more so is that Goku's the top fighter in this movie. You could make an argument that Gohan isn't as strong as he is in the CG since he's doing worse than Goku and everyone else.

But Goku? Know he's the one trucking through while everyone else got one shot.

Now considering the KHH differences, there is no way in the simple minded world of Fat Boo that Movie 8 Broly is as low as some suppressed Perfect Cell that fought Goku. We know darn well he's way above that.

Way above being, Cell got blown in half and Broly tanked it with his massive Saiyan dick.

Your argument falls apart because movies dont follw the time line of the series.. they are alternative universe stated by Toriyama. Goku should be a SSjin in the movie because he never powered down but no... so dont come up with "they never trained" because movies are alternative universe

Now to hope you can finally understand something reeeaaaly that simple like most of neo and Kanzenshuu did I would explain it again...

No one claims Goku is 50%... The claim is that Gokus max in movie 8 is his 10 days/warming up state... thats because of two things:

M8 Goku design in copied from his initial post rosat state and his warming up state with Cell.. The second one is that Goku in the movie looks like his natural 10 days MSSjin state and so is Gohan.. Gohan even has his pre Rosat outfit... they have the natural eyes and not the same eyes shape in the CG.. another reason is that the movie was revealed before the CG started and before Goku showed his full power in the series.. now I know you would say that Goku showed half of his power to Korin but it was not known how strong half his power was in comparasion to the other characters at that point so you cant say he showed half of his power...

If there was a movie revealed after Freeza showed half his power but before his max, would you know that his max rivals SSjin Goku? Or that half his power equals 60 million because it equals Kaioken x20 Goku? No movie 8 follows the Perfect Cell Arc and before someone surpassed SSjinG3 Trunks hence why M8 Goku equals his resting state because movies are alternative universe
M8 Goku is not 10x Vegeta who is 1st post rosat... the entire inspiratiob of movie 8 was having a villain greater than Trunks which is why Broli resembles him

Vegeta getting his kick tanked like Cell did and RSSjin Broli surpassing Goku like SSjinG3 Trunks surpassing Cell who M8 Goku equals to and then Broli powering up like Goku did in the tower and then goee LSSjin all fits to the arc of the movie and the point of Broli being just CG FPSSjin tier

 

[Lord Brofist]

Don't come up with crack pot theories either kid. Goku's design has almost nothing to do with this. In fact Goku's design in Movie 8 was if anything different than it was the manga entirely, having a different looking aura style (Which if nothing else is just an animation aspect of the movie)

You at best could make the argument that Goku's not a Mastered Super Saiyan but we already know that the entire purpose of an MSSJ is to have a better balance of ability, not that its stronger than normal SSJ.

In Movie 5, Goku's clearly baed on his namek incarnation, in fact the fight between SSJ Goku and Cooler even takes scenes used in the battle with Freeza and uses them with the battle with Cooler such as how Goku punches Cooler away. Yet Movie 5 Goku is obviously much stronger than Namek Goku.

So when Goku comes up here and point blank states that he's only using 50% of his power (which means jack shit I will add because please insert line of Goku doesn't do any more training anyways) pretty much leaves little doubt on where Goku would be.

You know where Goku would be? Come here I'll tell you.

*Whispers* Cell Games level.

What did Toei look at the manga, see 50% Goku and just think...yeah...full power Goku right there. The same guy who wanked Broly so much he felt he needed to put him in 3 times. These guys looked at 50% Goku and inferred...yes...that will be the full power of Goku.

Now I admit that out of all the subjects I have taken in my life, mathematics is not my strong point. However...50% doesn't mean 100%.

Movie 8 Goku=Cell Games Goku.

Natural look don't mean shit. Again...we already know Goku's full power and it never changes. this is not hard but no it is to you people and its somehow hard for you to wrap your heads around.

What does Freeza have to do with any of this? We know that in the manga Freeza only uses 50% of his power. If another movie came up in the same time and it seems Freeza's using his full power, we would easily correlate that to whatever his full power was in the manga at the time.

It doesn't matter what SSJ Goku is at the time, we'd know where Freeza is at the time. If 100% Freeza in whatever weird movie he appeared in is losing badly to SSJ Goku, then it merely means that SSJ Goku has a bigger amplification.

Becauase again, we have numbers.

10x what?

Vegeta's kick? What does that have to do with anything? You may make the argument that Vegeta's only 1st ROSAT if you wish, same with the others. But we already know Goku's been through the ROSAT on account that Gohan, who became one in the ROSAT, is a Super Saiyan.

So yeah...mathematics. 50% doesn't equal 100%. Even if at the time we don't know exactly where someone like Full Powered Perfect Cell would be, we'd sure as heck know Broly is far stronger than Cell Games Goku unless we got some line in the manga later on saying Goku actually did train through those 10 day period.

But again...we do not.

It's not hard man.

 

[Pakl]

Wow... Just saw Brofist replied to me over a year ago..... Though I am shocked that after making my comment as understandable as possible he still talks the same thing.... I ask myself if he really doesnt understand such simple thing or he just trolls by now... Either way the guy is dedicated...

 

[xmysticgohanx]

This Broli is somewhat stronger than Boo arc SSJ Goku but FP Perfect Cell is even higher than that