Can this be used to prove Trunks > Freeza?

[Six Trails]

There's a small group who try to argue that Trunks wasn't actually stronger than Freeza or Namek SS Goku (usually for the sake of being conservative), but I think I found an argument to refute that.

Goku decided not to teleport to Earth because he felt Trunks' Ki. If Trunks was actually weaker than Freeza's full power, wouldn't Goku still want to teleport to Earth just in case Freeza got the chance to go to full power? It's not like he knows Trunks has a sword.

So, any holes in that argument?

 

[Animelover5487]

I thought Trunks being stronger than Freeza was pretty obvious. Freeza being in stomping range for Trunks is even proven when Goku stated that the Androids must be pretty monstrous for a SSJ capable of killing Freeza in an instant to be scared of them without even bringing up the fact that Freeza wasn't using all of his power. At the least, that puts him far over the Namek Freeza who got only a little stronger after becoming a Cyborg.

 

[Six Trails]

I never denied it being obvious, there are just some that believe otherwise because they claim there's "no way" Trunks could know Freeza's full power, or some other excuse to nerf Trunks like "he won because he had a sword."

 

[Papasmurf]

I think it's usually because some people take Gohan's statement that Trunks had the same ki as Namek Goku to mean their ki were the same size

 

[SSJ2]

There's a small group who try to argue that Trunks wasn't actually stronger than Freeza or Namek SS Goku (usually for the sake of being conservative), but I think I found an argument to refute that.

Goku decided not to teleport to Earth because he felt Trunks' Ki. If Trunks was actually weaker than Freeza's full power, wouldn't Goku still want to teleport to Earth just in case Freeza got the chance to go to full power? It's not like he knows Trunks has a sword.

So, any holes in that argument?

No shit.

These people need to be banned.

 

[Jeff Styles]

None, Goku was okay to let Trunks handle Freeza and King Cold.If he couldn't have won, then Goku would have uses IT to saves the day.

 

[Pocket-God]

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

That has always been the point of that scene.

 

[Pyro]

I'd forgotten all about this most obvious piece of evidence. There's literally nothing to refute Trunks' superiority other than warped and illogical excuses.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

Who would try to deny Trunks was stronger than Frieza? Trunks outright told him he'd immediately kill him if he used his full power. I've seen people say he was stronger than Goku but never seen people say he was weaker than Frieza.

 

[kriss-]

Chapter: 334 (DBZ 140), P1.4
Goku: “Well at any rate, who was it who defeated Freeza? That was an incredible ki. Was it Piccolo? Or Vegeta?”
Note: obviously it wasn't either, but it might be notable that Goku at least felt it conceivable that Piccolo did it.

Goku didn't say it was Trunks whose Chi was so tremendous, he found it conceivable that it was Piccolo or Vegeta. So no, it doesn't necessarily prove Trunks was greater than Freeza.

Anyways, for the sake of beating a dead horse I'll play devils advocate.

Chapter: 331 (DBZ 137), P9.1
Context: challenging Freeza and Cold
Trunks: “Come at me at full power right from the start. I’m not soft like Son Goku…”

There was a rather large gap between Freeza & Goku's power back on Namek -and the artwork & statements that are present during that bout' imply as much. In Trunks' own mind, Goku was soft against Freeza and let him escape, whereas Trunks' was going to fight to kill right from the start.

8. Trunks’ Sword [#CE1#8]
Chapter: 332 (DBZ 138), P6.4
Cold: “By the way, that’s a marvelous sword, for it to so easily cut through Freeza’s highly tempered body.”

Cold implies that it was the sword that did the work. So really, we have no evidence to suggest Trunks' Chi is actually greater than Goku's was on Namek.

Chapter: 330 (DBZ 136), P9.7
Yamcha: “So this guy called ‘Fr…Freeza’ has such terrible…ab…absurdly large ki…?”
Gohan: “This isn’t it…he gets much, much stronger…!”

Freeza was suppressed during the bought with Trunks'. Suppression also lowers his durability. It's evidence when Super Vegeta was able to harm Cell, as many other examples throughout Dragonball Z. So after Trunks' took Freeza off guard -who didn't power-up to full power due to arrogance and stupidity, he was able to defeat him in a casual manner. Additionally, Mecha Freeza is even stronger than Organic Freeza. Trunks' doesn't know this, because it didn't occur in his own time-line. So when Trunks asks Freeza to power-up to full power in confidence of his own abilities, it doesn't mean he's actually stronger than the newly enhanced Mecha Freeza.

 

[Zippy]

Regardless of who he thought it was. The ki he was referring to belongs to trunks. So it can be used.

 

[Six Trails]

Goku didn't say it was Trunks whose Chi was so tremendous, he found it conceivable that it was Piccolo or Vegeta. So no, it doesn't necessarily prove Trunks was greater than Freeza.

He wasn't basing it on the power they were currently outputting, but the Ki he had sensed when Trunks transformed into a Super Saiyan, so that quote means literally nothing.

There was a rather large gap between Freeza & Goku's power back on Namek

Not really. Not until Freeza's stamina started to decline did the fight actually become one-sided.

In Trunks' own mind, Goku was soft against Freeza and let him escape, whereas Trunks' was going to fight to kill right from the start.

That doesn't really prove that Trunks was weaker than Freeza.

Cold implies that it was the sword that did the work. So really, we have no evidence to suggest Trunks' Chi is actually greater than Goku's was on Namek.

Chapter: 332 (DBZ 138), P6.1-2
Context: after Trunks kills Freeza
Cold: “My, you are capable, aren’t you? Marvelous, truly more than I imagined…To think that you could wipe my son Freeza out in that instant…How about it? Will you take Freeza’s place and become my child? Certainly you, the strongest in the universe, are qualified to join my clan.”

Chapter: 356 (DBZ 162), P3.1
God: “Things turned out this way against the androids…Even for that ‘Trunks’ boy who came from the future and instantly obliterated Freeza and his father…and even for Vegeta, whose abilities are even greater than Trunks…”

These two statements credit the victory to just Trunks and not his sword. Cold even calls Trunks the strongest in the universe, which proves that Trunks > Freeza.

Freeza was suppressed during the bought with Trunks'. Suppression also lowers his durability. It's evidence when Super Vegeta was able to harm Cell, as many other examples throughout Dragonball Z. So after Trunks' took Freeza off guard -who didn't power-up to full power due to arrogance and stupidity, he was able to defeat him in a casual manner. Additionally, Mecha Freeza is even stronger than Organic Freeza. Trunks' doesn't know this, because it didn't occur in his own time-line. So when Trunks asks Freeza to power-up to full power in confidence of his own abilities, it doesn't mean he's actually stronger than the newly enhanced Mecha Freeza.

Mecha Freeza was in Trunks' timeline, Trunks just wasn't around for it. That however, doesn't mean someone who could tell Trunks of Freeza's power like say Gohan could let Trunks know about how strong Freeza is.

 

[kriss-]

He credited the victory towards Trunks but Trunks defeated Frieza with his sword, not his Chi. King Cold is a non-factor since he was only 'around' the same amount of power as someone who was much weaker than 100% Organic Frieza (Mecha Frieza).

King Cold doesn't know how to sense Chi so his statement isn't a reference to who has a larger blob of Chi power; Trunks or Frieza, it's a remark based on what he saw; Trunks' sword slice through Frieza, which is exactly what he stated and exactly what happened.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Cold thought that Trunks owned Frieza by sword before he was proven wrong.

 

[kriss-]

Even 100% Organic Frieza could do to Cold what Trunks did to him. So at the end of the day, Trunks beating Cold doesn't account for much. Cold was already much weaker than 100% Organic Frieza.

Frieza Orcanic
-100% 120,000,000

Mecha Frieza
-Suppressed 100,000,000

King Cold
-Full Power 90,000,000