Could Goku use a x20 Kaioken before the Zenkai?

[ahill1]

So before his 33x Zenkai, could he pull a x20 Kaioken? What do you think?

 

[SSJ2]

Definitely not. Even after his Zenkai he was barely using x10, so there's no chance in hell he'd be able to handle x20 while at 90,000.

 

[Papasmurf]

Only if he felt like being suicidal that day.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He could only handle x20 for a few seconds even after his Zenkai. Best he could hope to do before is maybe reaching the level of Ki before his body reached his limits.

 

[ahill1]

How do you guys imagine was Goku's level of mastery over the Kaioken x10 before the Zenkai? Could he use it like the Kkx2 in the Saiyajins saga or would it be followed by wrecking his body like Kkx3?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Considering he only assumed he should be capable of handling up to that level, I'd say at best equal to his use of x3 against Vegeta and at worst no more than a short burst like the x4.

 

[Pyro]

x3 to x4 is a small bonus. Going from x10 to x20 is literally doubling the stress and stamina. I think it would be far too much for him to handle even in a short spurt.

 

[Hector]

I don't think the kaioken level you can handle is linear to the power level.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't think the kaioken level you can handle is linear to the power level.

There's clearly some form of relation between power and the Kaioken level you can handle. Goku couldn't even dream of handling Kaioken prior to training in the Saiyan arc, and he could only comfortably handle 2x and wrecked his body going above it after training. After his power rose to 90,000, he said his body could handle 10x, which is likely the level he was referring to when he said he could raise his power further than the level he showed Ginyu in instantaneous bursts. Against Freeza, he could now handle 10x throughout an entire fight, and seemed to sustain less damage from 20x than when he fucked himself over with 4x in the Saiyan arc.

Obviously Goku wasn't only 5x stronger against Freeza than when he fought Vegeta because the maximum level he could attempt only rose 5-fold, but his tolerance of higher Kaioken levels increased as he trained and got more Zenkais.

 

[SSJ2]

He'd be able to handle it in bursts for a short while. He was confident that he'd be able to withstand it, and the same can't be said of Kaioken x3 in the Saiyan arc. I'd say it would be between his Saiyan arc usage of X2 and x3, but closer to x3.

 

[Papasmurf]

Pre-zenkai, I think Kaioken x20 would either kill him or cripple him so badly he'll wish he was dead without magic healing. 10x would still probably be pretty strenuous considering even after ahuge Zenkai that was the most he could normally handle.