Cymbal vs 22nd Budokai Kuririn

[ahill1]

Who wins?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say Yamcha is possibly stronger, though it mainly comes down to whether or not he gets hit by Cymbal's lightning, which had Yajirobe on edge until he took things seriously.

 

[SSJ2]

I think Cymbal wins after a tough fight. I don't think Krillin has the firepower to win with a disadvantage in power. His Kamehameha was still very weak at this point.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think Cymbal mid diffs here. I just happen to have enough of a gap that Cymbal can be many times below Tambourine but still be above Kuririn, plus Cymbal’s lightnings and wings won’t hell baldie here

 

[ahill1]

I find it hard to keep Cymbal above 22nd Yamcha/Kuririn while being many times below Tambourine, who is still decently behind 22nd Goku. That'd require a humongous gap between Goku and Kuririn.

I think I rolled with Cymbal coming out on top due to Tambourine's surprise at Cymbal being killed by someone after himself having fought Kuririn, but was Kuririn even 100%?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I find it hard to keep Cymbal above 22nd Yamcha/Kuririn while being many times below Tambourine, who is still decently behind 22nd Goku. That'd require a humongous gap between Goku and Kuririn.

Or you could just chalk it up to Daimao's "many times stronger" being hyperbole.

I think I rolled with Cymbal coming out on top due to Tambourine's surprise at Cymbal being killed by someone after himself having fought Kuririn, but was Kuririn even 100%?

It's worth noting though that Tambourine hadn't seen Cymbal in action, so his surprise would be more due to believing the Mazoku couldn't be beaten by mere humans much like Piano did. Judging his fight with Yajirobe would be far more indicative. As for Kuririn's condition, he might not have been 100%, though he wasn't suggested to be running low on strength and stamina like Goku was.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah as for the Yajirobe's fight, Yajirobe seemed to be having some problems with him. Goku also thought Yajirobe could need some help and was impressed when Yajirobe chopped Cymbal in two... so could the Yajirobe that briefly fought Goku have been suppressed to more or less the same amount of the initial Yajirobe vs Cymbal?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say it's more likely Goku misjudged Yajirobe from the initial portion of the fight. Yajirobe had no reason to hold back his punches against Goku, yet Goku had little opportunity to see his speed during their fight and none to see his swordsmanship (weapons being consistently treat as a force multiplier such as Tao's sword against Galu or Cold thinking Trunks' sword was the only reason he killed Freeza), which would explain Goku's surprise.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, but Goku also saw how well he took his all out assault. Wouldn't he know Yajirobe should have no problems against Cymbal's chi attacks if that level meant nothing to his assault earlier on vs Yajirobe?

Idk, it may seem I'm overrating Cymbal rn, but this portions seems a little weird to me.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Even if Yajirobe had the durability, it wouldn't make his victory a certainty unless Galu knew he also had the speed to get past Cymbal's ranged attacks, not to mention he wouldn't be aware of how potent Cymbal's lightning beams would be.

 

[ahill1]

Well, Goku's offer of helping came after Yajirobe dodged many times, although barely, Cymbal's lightning attack. Goku could also apparently feel Tenshinhan's concentrated chi when he was gathering it up to fire the Kikoho.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's pretty arguable whether or not Goku would sense the Ki emanating from Cymbal's lightning though, considering the Mazoku seem to have some level of magical properties (and it's worth noting Daimao refers to Cymbal as a Dragon-type just like what the more ability-centric Namekians are). Again, Yajirobe had yet to display much speed feats in his melee bout with Galu, so Goku not getting a good reading of his during their fight and Yajirobe's initial dodges would make sense.

 

[ahill1]

Well, Goku saw Yajirobe dodging it and didn't feel the need to complement that with a "you can just tank it", which I think should be the case if he felt this lightning attack paled in comparison to the swordsman's durability.

As for Goku not being able to sense him, it's likely, though it's worth noting that he felt surprised by Tambourine's mouth blast given the exclamation mark and made a case of dodging it, which makes it sound like he sensed it.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Well, Goku saw Yajirobe dodging it and didn't feel the need to complement that with a "you can just tank it", which I think should be the case if he felt this lightning attack paled in comparison to the swordsman's durability.

Hence why I'd say he likely didn't sense it or was wary of what it might do beyond raw power.

As for Goku not being able to sense him, it's likely, though it's worth noting that he felt surprised by Tambourine's mouth blast given the exclamation mark and made a case of dodging it, which makes it sound like he sensed it.

Tambourine's mouth blast was a pretty standard Ki attack though, compared to Cymbal's far more specialised lightning ray.

 

[ahill1]

Tambourine's blast was a more standard and common chi blast, does that make it easier to tell how powerful it is though? It's true that Goku could have reacted to it according to fhe speed it packed, but the same can be also said for Cymbal's electricity.