Did Gohan get 50x stronger due to the Z-Sword Training?

[CroMagnumDVH]

I take it as a "yes". This diagram is a perfect example, but lemme know your opinions on this:

Spoiler

 

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Swinging =/= Extracting

 

[GSM123]

Gohan needing SSJ to wield the Sword doesn't mean Gohan has gotten 50x stronger. The Sword can be like 1.1 ton to Gohan's lifting strength of 1 ton. It's very unlikely that Gohan got much stronger swinging a sword around given this:
No matter how much you train, there are limits to physical strength, and the only way to overcome that is through ki. I think Goku was able to approach the mightiest warriors in the universe through strengthening his ki.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/seg-story-volume-truth-about-dragon-ball/

According to Toriyama, there's a point were physical, muscular training hits a wall. Gohan most likely only got a bit stronger thanks to muscular memory.

 

[CroMagnumDVH]

Swinging =/= Extracting

Not necessarily at all. No such thing has been mentioned here at all

Gohan needing SSJ to wield the Sword doesn't mean Gohan has gotten 50x stronger. The Sword can be like 1.1 ton to Gohan's lifting strength of 1 ton. It's very unlikely that Gohan got much stronger swinging a sword around given this:
No matter how much you train, there are limits to physical strength, and the only way to overcome that is through ki. I think Goku was able to approach the mightiest warriors in the universe through strengthening his ki.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/seg-story-volume-truth-about-dragon-ball/

According to Toriyama, there's a point were physical, muscular training hits a wall. Gohan most likely only got a bit stronger thanks to muscular memory.

I covered your point on DBZ Amino

 

[Animelover5487]

Gohan needing SSJ to wield the Sword doesn't mean Gohan has gotten 50x stronger. The Sword can be like 1.1 ton to Gohan's lifting strength of 1 ton. It's very unlikely that Gohan got much stronger swinging a sword around given this:
No matter how much you train, there are limits to physical strength, and the only way to overcome that is through ki. I think Goku was able to approach the mightiest warriors in the universe through strengthening his ki.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/seg-story-volume-truth-about-dragon-ball/

According to Toriyama, there's a point were physical, muscular training hits a wall. Gohan most likely only got a bit stronger thanks to muscular memory.

I am not arguing Gohan got fifty times stronger, but you don't think Gohan could have increased his Ki from the sword training?

I mean, nearly all the training we have seen has been physical related (King Kai's planet, HBTC, ROSAT sparing, etc) yet the characters still increase their Ki significantly after the training.

Besides, Gohan would have had to make some pretty sizable gains for Goku to think it's even plausible for him to take Majin Boo.

 

[GSM123]

I am not arguing Gohan got fifty times stronger, but you don't think Gohan could have increased his Ki from the sword training?

I mean, nearly all the training we have seen has been physical related (King Kai's planet, HBTC, ROSAT sparing, etc) yet the characters still increase their Ki significantly after the training.

Besides, Gohan would have had to make some pretty sizable gains for Goku to think it's even plausible for him to take Majin Boo.

Because that limit had yet to be hit. I think those limits were hitten by the Cell Games or Boo Arc, when Goku was claiming he and Gohan had reached their limits and stuff.

Except that Goku never made any guesses about Gohan's odds against Boo. He said he didn't know if Gohan could take on Boo or not.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What about Kaio-Shin saying that if Gohan was that incredible just in his regular-state he'd be that much more amazing as a Super-Saiyan!

 

[CroMagnumDVH]

What about Kaio-Shin saying that if Gohan was that incredible just in his regular-state he'd be that much more amazing as a Super-Saiyan!

It would mean Ssj Gohan > Base Gohan lmfao

 

[GSM123]

Such a great discovery.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What about Kaio-Shin saying that if Gohan was that incredible just in his regular-state he'd be that much more amazing as a Super-Saiyan!

It would mean Ssj Gohan > Base Gohan lmfao

That's not what I meant. With Goku struggling to life the sword in the first place and Gohan apparently having gained power and Kaio-Shin's statement it can easily be implied Regular Gohan >>> Super-Saiyan Gohan (pre Sword).

 

[CroMagnumDVH]

What about Kaio-Shin saying that if Gohan was that incredible just in his regular-state he'd be that much more amazing as a Super-Saiyan!

It would mean Ssj Gohan > Base Gohan lmfao

That's not what I meant. With Goku struggling to life the sword in the first place and Gohan apparently having gained power and Kaio-Shin's statement it can easily be implied Regular Gohan >>> Super-Saiyan Gohan (pre Sword).

O. If that's what you meant then yeah I agree with you, but not the evidence you posted