Did Super Buu Get Stronger After Buuhan Fought Vegito?

[CroMagnumDVH]

This Post Ties in with this other post I made about Buu Saga Vegeta (Post Dying) being possibly superior to Ssj3 Gotenks:

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13804

Because Naturally, Vegeta > Gotenks would also mean Vegeta > Super Buu which is, well, wrong as shown between Super Buu vs Goku and Vegeta. But what if Super Buu got stronger? That way, things would become possible since Vegeta losing to Super Buu won't only apply to the new, powered up Super Buu and not the older counterpart, so he can be very well below Super Buu (new counterpart) but still superior to Ssj3 Gotenks

The argument stems from the point that Buuhan was originally only Base Vegito level AT BEST, but he started getting stronger all the way to Ssj Vegito level due to the Saiyans inside him therefore having the Zenkai trait, and Buuhan stating that he gets stronger the more angry he gets. This way, this entire case no longer becomes wrong and therefore making more sense.

First, I'll be proving why Base Vegito was superior to Buuhan's full power as shown in Dragon Ball Kai which goes lining up with the Manga:

Spoiler

At the start of the fight, Vegito started his cocky act and angered Buuhan alot, which made Buuhan want to get rid of Vegito, but base Vegito casually dodges him and then attacks him:

Then Buuhan kicks Vegito to the ground hard enough, and Vegito stands as if nothing happened, then Buuhan starts telling Vegito that even that level of attack was just Buuhan holding back. Vegito then states that he's "finally done warming up". So Buuhan wasn't the only one holding back, Vegito was as well. The difference is that Buuhan is angry at Vegito, while Vegito is pretty chill out there, which says alot about the individuals' bloodlust. Afterwards Vegito tells Buuhan that he didn't take things seriously or made Buuhan get serious only because he's not used to his body, and as soon as he says that, he rapes the shit out of Buuhan, then Vegito starts getting surprised of the Potara's power:

Exactly after this happens, Buuhan asserts that he will NO LONGER hold back at all, which would mean that what we'll see later on is just Vegito in base fighting Buuhan who's no longer holding back. But Vegito dares him, as if he's confident that Buuhan will fail:

Despite all of this blabber, Buuhan fails to land a single hit on Base Vegito and Vegito starts slapping him even while laughing as if Buuhan's full power is a such a trivial matter in comparison to Vegito's Base power, which says alot about this situation:

After this happens, Buuhan boils up and gathers all his power into a single giant ball of Ki in an attempt to destroy earth along with Vegito, yet he still fails. Vegito is not the least bit surprised of the attack and Buuhan thinks he's just acting, but it turns out Vegito was right:

Daizenshuu says a fierce battle occurred between Base Vegito and Buuhan and not a "one sided" battle like many people love to say to make it seem as if Buuhan is astronomically superior to Base Vegito when the contrary is shown rather than the former:

After this scene happens Buuhan says he'll win and Vegito goes Ssj. This means absolutely nothing, however. Buuhan also says this same statement after getting bullied by Ssj Vegito, under the belief that he'll get stronger. Before we go on any further, we need to explain why Vegito went Ssj. Base Vegito > Buuhan is undeniable as Vegito in Base basically overpowered a Bloodlusted Full Power Buuhan while just laughing. However, in order to fully obliterate Buuhan, or even force him to absorb him (This was his goal anyways), he needs to be far beyond Buuhan. Buuhan neglected the idea of absorbing him until he realized he had no other choice, however Buuhan could manage to survive long enough for Base Vegito to run out of energy while Buuhan's power doesn't fall as stated in the Manga. So Vegito going Super Saiyan despite being superior to Buuhan in base is a fine feat that contradicts nothing and just makes sense if anything. If Vegito didn't go Super Saiyan, then it wouldn't make sense

So here, we established that Base Vegito is superior to Buuhan. Buuhan then says something intriguing in the Manga. He claims that the more he gets angrier, the more Vegito's demise will be reached:

While this might seem like useless blabber, it does hold merit. Buuhan after getting shitted on says this, which means he's implying that the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets. To support this notion, Buuhan manages to push back even Ssj Vegito just by powering up later on due to getting angered by Vegito mocking and continuously slapping Buuhan around;

After Vegito punches Buuhan which affects him and his Ki, stopping the distortions in space from that Ki, Vegito comments about the amazingness of that power which he wanted to properly fight. At first, before Buuhan fully unleashes his anger, Vegito quickly comments about its power, but then he sees that the matter is about to go out of hand, thus rushes into stopping the mess. What statement furthers the control of this Ability? The following:

Vegito implies that The power Buuhan displayed could have been used controllably under Buuhan's will and fight Vegito with it. Vegito has observed this Ability, so there is a chance that he concludes at the process that this Ability can be controlled, but he either decided not to so he could destroy the Living world, or Because he was blinded by his anger. Either way, it wouldnt have changed the outcome much but it would have gotten way much better than it does in the show now.

Originally Buuhan was inferior to Base Vegito get he reached a level where he could push Ssj Vegito and even worry him:

https://youtu.be/VvLmYhx0tmU

So Buu's anger drives him to get stronger. Dragon Ball Super implies that you can get stronger EVEN while fighting as shown in the Dragon Ball Super Anime which follows Dragon Ball Kai, which supports the Manga.

So Buuhan got stronger. The next stop is, there is absolutely NO PROOF Buuhan's power up was temporary. Meaning if Buuhan got stronger and then spit out Gohan and Gotenks who are never implied to have gotten stronger or weaker and just rather stayed the same, this would also mean Super Buu OVERALL got stronger even using basic numbers.

Since Buuhan got stronger and it would naturally affect his base, it's only natural to say that Super Buu got stronger than his previous counterpart, therefore making Dragon Ball Kai's interpretation of Goku's power, as well as the Manga's placement of Kid Buu's power and the regular Anime and Guides, make sense.

El Manga Legendario states that The z fighters fought an increasingly powerful Buu as if it's implying that Buu keeps getting stronger throughout the plot which acts as a standing point to Super Buu surpassing his previous counterpart who combated both Ssj3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan:

Dragon Ball Kai is Akira Toriyama's personal cut where he chooses which events to include that ties up with what the Manga shows.

So what Do you think? State your honest opinions

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

"There's absolutely no proof that Buuhan's power up was temporary"

Aren't you the one supposed to prove something tho? Rage boosts were never a permanent thing. Gohan's power vanishes when he calms down, Oob's does... Why would Boo's be any different?

Besides, the entire sequence with Gohan-Boo going apeshit is absent on the Manga. Dragon Ball Kai is Toriyama's cut on the continuity of the anime, cutting out most of the unecessary filler. Toriyama could still go back and add stuff to the Manga if he finds necessary, as shown with how he added a new ending with the Kanzeban edition.

El Manga Legendario is refering to how Boo gets stronger via absorbing people btw.

 

[CroMagnumDVH]

"There's absolutely no proof that Buuhan's power up was temporary"

Aren't you the one supposed to prove something tho? Rage boosts were never a permanent thing. Gohan's power vanishes when he calms down, Oob's does... Why would Boo's be any different?

Wrong. It's your job to prove that it's the same thing here. I already showed evidence that Buuhan's power didn't disappear, because Vegito told Buuhan to fight him with that same power without being enraged, implying he had that power

After that moment, Buuhan's Ghosts make Vegito sweat and worry about himself, and even corners him. Buuhan's power isn't dormant, unlike Gohan's which has statements of it being temporary or not. So the burden of proof is on you to show me why Buuhan and Vegito would be wrong about their power.

Besides, the entire sequence with Gohan-Boo going apeshit is absent on the Manga.

Akira still approved of it and that's more than enough. Dragon Ball Forever, a Manga guide, supports this case

Dragon Ball Kai is Toriyama's cut on the continuity of the anime, cutting out most of the unecessary filler. Toriyama could still go back and add stuff to the Manga if he finds necessary, as shown with how he added a new ending with the Kanzeban edition.

Dragon Ball Kai is Akira Toriyama's cut in which he purposedly makes it compatible with the Manga:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/guides/episode/kai/toriyama_cut.png?x86358

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/

That's aside from the fact that Akira also said that DBZ is both the Manga and Anime, and with Kai coming, it takes the place of the Regular Anime version. Making Kai and Manga usable with each other

El Manga Legendario is refering to how Boo gets stronger via absorbing people btw.

El Manga Legendario is referencing things in general, no specification

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Wrong. It's your job to prove that it's the same thing here. I already showed evidence that Buuhan's power didn't disappear, because Vegito told Buuhan to fight him with that same power without being enraged, implying he had that power

After that moment, Buuhan's Ghosts make Vegito sweat and worry about himself, and even corners him. Buuhan's power isn't dormant, unlike Gohan's which has statements of it being temporary or not. So the burden of proof is on you to show me why Buuhan and Vegito would be wrong about their power.

It did disappear. After Vegetto tells Boo to come at him with that power, he gets completely pwned by Vegetto, and the closest he did to giving him trouble was through fighting with crafty techniques like using several Kamikaze Ghosts (When only one is enough to do a lot of damage, see SSJ Gotenks vs Super Boo) firing Kamehamehas at him. Boo never tapped into that power again and was being so humiliated by Vegetto that he had to absorb him.

Akira still approved of it and that's more than enough. Dragon Ball Forever, a Manga guide, supports this case

Dragon Ball Kai is Akira Toriyama's cut in which he purposedly makes it compatible with the Manga:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/guides/episode/kai/toriyama_cut.png?x86358

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/

That's aside from the fact that Akira also said that DBZ is both the Manga and Anime, and with Kai coming, it takes the place of the Regular Anime version. Making Kai and Manga usable with each other

I'm aware of this. I actually bothered to search and read this before making my coment earlier.

But my point still stands. Kai is his cut of how the Anime should go. If he believes any of this stuff should go to the Manga, he can go there, draw it himself and publish it again, like he did with the Kanzeban edition of the Manga.

El Manga Legendario is referencing things in general, no specification

But that it's talking about absorbtion is the obvious conclusion. El Manga Legendario was released two years before Kai, and is mostly a manga guide (Given the use of Toriyama's draws instead of images from the Anime). The manga by itself gives no indication of Boo getting stronger outside of absorbtions, so absorbtions is the obvious conclusion to Boo getting stronger.

 

[CroMagnumDVH]

It did disappear. After Vegetto tells Boo to come at him with that power, he gets completely pwned by Vegetto, and the closest he did to giving him trouble was through fighting with crafty techniques like using several Kamikaze Ghosts (When only one is enough to do a lot of damage, see SSJ Gotenks vs Super Boo) firing Kamehamehas at him

The fact that Vegito tells him to come using that power, and Buuhan doesn't say that he doesn't have it, and nor does Vegito say that he's a disappointment, is all that matters for us when we want to prove it isn't temporary. Not once has it been stated to be temporary so the burden of proof is on you to show me. Vegito even during the struggle was FAR beyond beyond Buuhan. Making someone worried doesn't mean hag. Buuhan's power wasn't "hax" or "temporary"

The ability he used is called "outside space":

This ability is listed as a "Kiai" attack which is basically Ki WITHIN YOUR abilities and NOT hax or temporary power. This attack is stated to be similar to the attack which Buu used to open a dimensional door:

Opening a Hole in the Dimension
First Appearance: Chapter 492
Category: special
People: Majin Buu (evil), Gotenks
Special Characteristics: A technique where they fire a great kiai yell, distorting the dimension and opening a hole in it. Only people with extremely high battle ratings can use this. They used it to escape from the sealed Room of Spirit and Time.

So it's a kiai yell, and this is what a kiai is:

Kiai
First Appearance: Chapter 519
Category: ki manipulation
People: Uub
Special Characteristics: A technique where, letting out a great yell, he emits ki from his entire body. While increasing his own ki, he causes an intense shockwave that attacks his opponent. A technique that he used at the 28th Tenkaichi Budoukai, angry at Goku’s bad-mouthing.

So basically it's letting out Ki WITHIN the person. Meaning Buuhan released from his body, enough Ki to push Ssj Vegito.

So not only this is NOT related to potential, it's an impossibility for it to be temporary since this Kiai is something extracted from his body. It makes absolutely no sense for it to be potential related, and absolutely no sense for it to be power that has come from out of nowhere since no such thing has been implied and Vegito telling Buuhan to come at him using this power supports it all the more.

The kamikaze ghosts aren't any exception. They explode but the power of the explosions depends on the user. Buuhan won't jump all the way from Base Vegito tier to Ssj Vegito tier since that's never supported at all. He was able to make SUPER SAIYAN Vegito worry for himself, and that's more than enough

Boo never tapped into that power again and was being so humiliated by Vegetto that he had to absorb him.

You have no proof to say he never did. Just because he didn't go crazy doesn't mean he didn't tap into it a second time, not when Vegito wasn't surprised when he told Buuhan to use that power again and proceeded. The only difference is that Buuhan is doing it rationally. The Ghosts feat support this anyways.

I'm aware of this. I actually bothered to search and read this before making my coment earlier.

But my point still stands. Kai is his cut of how the Anime should go. If he believes any of this stuff should go to the Manga, he can go there, draw it himself and publish it again, like he did with the Kanzeban edition of the Manga.

No, frankly it doesn't stand at all. It isn't his cut of how the Anime should go. It's his cut to make it compatible with the Manga completely. Akira says that Dragon Ball is a consideration of both the Anime and Manga:

However due to Kai replacing it, it takes the place of the original Anime, and even Kai itself has a sentence saying it's Akira's personal cut, and in Kanzenshuu it shows that Akira said he wanted to cut the Anime to make it run beside the Manga

Akira doesn't need to edit what's already been clarified. Akira said he's already done doing Dragon Ball at all, and you're basically telling him to rewrite multiple things he messed. Akira even said he hoped Daizenshuu were with him during the writing of the Manga, and there are many Anime related things in Daizenshuu 7. Aside from this small exhibit, Akira only rewrote Uub sitting on the Nimbus and Vegeta conceding to his inferiority to both Goku and Uub, that's all, despite there are many things IN the Manga which are unclarified.

But that it's talking about absorbtion is the obvious conclusion.

How is it an obvious conclusion? It places Kid Buu's picture and saying the Z Fighters fought an increasingly powerful Buu and references him getting stronger throughout the battles. No mention of absorptions at all. It's impossible to reach that conclusion using this sentence if you're a reader who has no idea what absorptions are, meanwhile the reader would figure out that this creature gets increasing into strength in a general concept.

El Manga Legendario was released two years before Kai, and is mostly a manga guide (Given the use of Toriyama's draws instead of images from the Anime). The manga by itself gives no indication of Boo getting stronger outside of absorbtions, so absorbtions is the obvious conclusion to Boo getting stronger.

The Manga doesn't in anyway contradict the concept of Buu getting stronger and supports it. El Manga Legendario is a manga guide and the fact that there's a statement like that means it supports the Manga completely. Dragon Ball Forever, a Manga guide, also supports this issue completely. Super Buu getting stronger to match a powered up Vegeta is all that's needed to support ourselves. Vegeta got stronger than someone who's originally superior to Super Buu, yet Super Buu comes back and threatens Vegeta, which means he got stronger and nothing contradicts it, not when Old Kai's statement is a HUGE step up to see Akira Toriyama's personal intentions and how Akira never contraricted it when cutting out Kai and how Toei interpreted it

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The fact that Vegito tells him to come using that power, and Buuhan doesn't say that he doesn't have it, and nor does Vegito say that he's a disappointment, is all that matters for us when we want to prove it isn't temporary. Not once has it been stated to be temporary so the burden of proof is on you to show me. Vegito even during the struggle was FAR beyond beyond Buuhan. Making someone worried doesn't mean hag. Buuhan's power wasn't "hax" or "temporary"

He doesn't have to say that. Vegetto kicking his ass is enough. You're literally ignoring the feat because there's no statement to make the obvious feat seems even more obvious.

So basically it's letting out Ki WITHIN the person. Meaning Buuhan released from his body, enough Ki to push Ssj Vegito.

So not only this is NOT related to potential, it's an impossibility for it to be temporary since this Kiai is something extracted from his body. It makes absolutely no sense for it to be potential related, and absolutely no sense for it to be power that has come from out of nowhere since no such thing has been implied and Vegito telling Buuhan to come at him using this power supports it all the more.

Ironic, because Oob used his Kiai on Goku while having a temporary rage boost.

Cell told Gohan to use his enraged power against him. I guess that's when Gohan transformed into a SSJ2 then? When Cell asked?

The kamikaze ghosts aren't any exception. They explode but the power of the explosions depends on the user. Buuhan won't jump all the way from Base Vegito tier to Ssj Vegito tier since that's never supported at all. He was able to make SUPER SAIYAN Vegito worry for himself, and that's more than enough

They're strong enough that a single ghost from SSJ Gotenks wrecked Super Boo's body, whose SSJ3 Gotenks level. Of course multiple ghosts from Gohan-Boo are going to be a threat to SSJ Vegetto.

You have no proof to say he never did.

"The burden of proof is on you!"
"No, it's on you!"
"No, it's on you!"

Anyway, Vegetto told Boo to use that power and then Vegetto wiped his ass. Oh wait, did Vegetto get stronger too so he could keep kicking Boo's ass after he powered up? Hell, that's sounding like Super where everyone is getting stronger all the time for no reason at all!

No, frankly it doesn't stand at all. It isn't his cut of how the Anime should go. It's his cut to make it compatible with the Manga completely. Akira says that Dragon Ball is a consideration of both the Anime and Manga:

Because both are Dragon Ball. Both are about the journey of Goku and his friends. Still different universes though, as one is the original version and the other one is a adaption to the TV.

Saying Kai has power over Dragon Ball is akin to saying some Marvel movie that had Stan Lee's finger on it has power over the comics.

How is it an obvious conclusion? It places Kid Buu's picture and saying the Z Fighters fought an increasingly powerful Buu and references him getting stronger throughout the battles. No mention of absorptions at all. It's impossible to reach that conclusion using this sentence if you're a reader who has no idea what absorptions are, meanwhile the reader would figure out that this creature gets increasing into strength in a general concept.

Because Boo was absorbing people throughout the fights. That's how he even won some fights. That Boo was getting stronger out of the blue, as if he's a saying who the more he fights, the more he grows in power, is never suggested at all.

The Manga doesn't in anyway contradict the concept of Buu getting stronger and supports it. El Manga Legendario is a manga guide and the fact that there's a statement like that means it supports the Manga completely. Dragon Ball Forever, a Manga guide, also supports this issue completely. Super Buu getting stronger to match a powered up Vegeta is all that's needed to support ourselves. Vegeta got stronger than someone who's originally superior to Super Buu, yet Super Buu comes back and threatens Vegeta, which means he got stronger and nothing contradicts it, not when Old Kai's statement is a HUGE step up to see Akira Toriyama's personal intentions and how Akira never contraricted it when cutting out Kai and how Toei interpreted it

Saiyans get stronger the more they fight. We have a statement saying this:
Chapter: 257 (DBZ 63), P10.1-2
Context: Vegeta bragging to Dodoria about how he became stronger.
Vegeta: “Fuhahaha…! We Saiyans grow stronger each time we fight…! The stronger the opponent, the stronger we become…So I’m becoming stronger too…! I almost died on Earth, and have now vastly powered up…!”

Boo doesn't have a statement like that, nor any feats proving that. The closest thing to that is the shaky idea that Super Boo > Vegeta > Gotenks > Super Boo, that is based on a vague statement by Kaioshin. Not the most concrete evidence, if you ask me.

 

[CroMagnumDVH]

He doesn't have to say that.

Then there's absolutely no way you could wrong Vegito like you're suggesting.

Vegetto kicking his ass is enough. You're literally ignoring the feat because there's no statement to make the obvious feat seems even more obvious.

I'm not ignoring the feat at all. Not sure what made you come to this conclusion. Vegito slapping Buuhan means nothing. Vegito is already far, far beyond anything Buuhan could ever hope dish out. Buuhan could Shitstomps Buuhan anytime he needed. In fact, Vegito seemed confident in fighting this same enraged Buuhan, yet Vegito's goal was to force Buuhan to absorb him, yet Buuhan wouldn't absorb him if Vegito wasn't too much for him to handle. Despite all that, you're ignoring the Ghosts of Buuhan making Vegito worried yet originally he's only Base Vegito tier.

Ironic, because Oob used his Kiai on Goku while having a temporary rage boost.

Nope, Uub already had his power in tact, he just couldn't release it. He was afraid, and Daizenshuu says he's meek, so Goku needed to anger him. Besides, Uub managed to win the prelims, so he wouldn't be weaksauce.

You still didn't counter the kiai evidence at all though, kek

Cell told Gohan to use his enraged power against him. I guess that's when Gohan transformed into a SSJ2 then? When Cell asked?

I couldn't understand what this even entails Lol

They're strong enough that a single ghost from SSJ Gotenks wrecked Super Boo's body, whose SSJ3 Gotenks level. Of course multiple ghosts from Gohan-Boo are going to be a threat to SSJ Vegetto.

Super Buu does not need to be astronomically beyond Ssj Gotenks. Ssj Gotenks Post ROSAT in Daizenshuu 2 is stated to have attacks beyond anything that's shown before which includes Suppressed Ssj3 Goku. The gap between Ssj3 and Ssj is less than the gap between Base form and Ssj. You can't just quantify the amount of power Buuhan's ghosts would do, and definitely not From Base Vegtio tier to Ssj Vegito tier. The Ghosts are made from Gotenks's Ki:

Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack
First Appearance: Chapter 490
Category: ki manipulation
People: Gotenks
Special Characteristics: An offensive technique that he acquired during his training in the Room of Spirit and Time. Spitting out ectoplasm-shaped ki, Gotenks creates doppelgangers of himself. This ki possesses its own consciousness, and can move on its own in obedience to Gotenks’ orders. Gotenks called this ki a ghost. In general this is a guided-type ki manipulation technique, but it shows a completely unique evolution, and even Piccolo couldn’t hide his surprise at this technique’s unexpectedness and effect. This technique was created from Gotenks’ childish ideas, but its force when it comes to actual fighting can be said to be that of a considerably high level technique. As you’d expect of Goku and Vegeta’s children, they discovered their own new and unique way of using ki.

This is considered a guided type Ki attack. Daizenshuu 4's interpretation of this attack is that It's a single bullet of Ki FROM WITHIN your power. So these ghosts have a small amount of Gotenks's full power OR Gotenks's power itself. No "higher":

Being able to blow super buu means Ssj Gotenks is really strong indeed, not that his ghosts > Gotenks himself.

"The burden of proof is on you!"
"No, it's on you!"
"No, it's on you!"

Whatever this means, I'll just ignore it -_-

Anyway, Vegetto told Boo to use that power and then Vegetto wiped his ass. Oh wait, did Vegetto get stronger too so he could keep kicking Boo's ass after he powered up? Hell, that's sounding like Super where everyone is getting stronger all the time for no reason at all!

Under what premise do you even try to debunk this by saying Vegito kicked Buuhan's ass? Lmao Vegito is far beyond Buuhan it isn't even funny. I thought this is common knowledge.

Because both are Dragon Ball. Both are about the journey of Goku and his friends. Still different universes though, as one is the original version and the other one is a adaption to the TV. Saying Kai has power over Dragon Ball is akin to saying some Marvel movie that had Stan Lee's finger on it has power over the comics.

Yeah I'm not sure what this analogy even means because you're obviously making a case of Red Herring now

Because Boo was absorbing people throughout the fights. That's how he even won some fights. That Boo was getting stronger out of the blue, as if he's a saying who the more he fights, the more he grows in power, is never suggested at all.

That still doesn't cover what El Manga Legendario says. That's what you say, not what the guide says. The guide says the Z Fighters fought an increasingly powerful Buu, or a Buu who keeps getting stronger. No reference to absorptions in particular so the safest bet is that it generalized the matter with no specific contribution to the issue

Saiyans get stronger the more they fight. We have a statement saying this:
Idk what brought this up

Not sure why This is posted because it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Besides, what you posted was a reference for Saiyans getting stronger after reach near death states, while DBS expanded on this issue (not the DBS Manga tho). This actually supports me anyways but Whatever

Boo doesn't have a statement like that, nor any feats proving that. The closest thing to that is the shaky idea that Super Boo > Vegeta > Gotenks > Super Boo, that is based on a vague statement by Kaioshin. Not the most concrete evidence, if you ask me.

Old Kai's statement isn't vague at all, and Super Buu (post Buuhan) > Vegeta > Gotenks > Super Buu (against Gotenks) is supported and never contradicted. Both Manga, Anime and Guides support this. I'm not sure what's there to doubt

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Since I'm bored to read that wall of text, can someone tell me, in a few words, why does that guy think Super Buu got stronger after Buuhan?

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Since I'm bored to read that wall of text, can someone tell me, in a few words, why does that guy think Super Buu got stronger after Buuhan?

The argument is that Boo kept the power up from the rage boost he got against SSj Vegetto in Dragon Ball Kai.

 

[Void]

Toriyama didn't hand pick any scenes to be removed or kept in Kai. Toei literally said Kai was Toriyama's cut as in they were making it closer to the manga.

as a pre-title card shown before the first 13 episodes stated that Kai was the “Akira Toriyama Original Cut Version”. This meant the series would follow the manga much more closely than Dragon Ball Z had originally, and would consequently shorten the series from its original episode count.

Calling it the Toriyama Cut was just their way of saying it would follow the manga more closely.

 

[CroMagnumDVH]

That doesn't mean Dragon Ball Kai is not usable. Akira already approved of the Anime in general, and now Dragon Ball Kai is released as a "refreshed" or in general, a remastered version of the show cutting the useless fillers and only the matters which are important, and for Dragon Ball Kai to hold Akira's name, it would need his personal approval.

Regardless, Dragon Ball Kai started first with developing the plot and fixing alot about it. Caramel Mama is part of Akira Toriyama's staff. They worked with Akira himself and with Bird Studio, Akira's personal staff:

Akira Toriyama said, that his staff, and mainly Sheuisha who created that Daizenshuu books and most of the other informative guidebooks (who Caramel Mama hired), are more knowledgeable than him and places his staff at a higher level of authority than himself:

In Dragon Ball Kai's plot development, Shueisha was involved with it and was also named a "Series Organizer". So Dragon Ball Kai has information that cannot be ignored by the fans at all and Akira approves of Sheuisha's work completely:

So there's no way you could ignore its information relating to the Manga