Did Yamcha surpass Saiyan Saga Vegeta?

[Fantastische Hure]

And Tenshinhan for that matter too.

I doubt it.

 

[Void]

I think they did. They were stuck on Kaio's planet for a while, weren't they? Considering the gains Piccolo made in his brief time there, I'd wager the humans at Kaio's made some decent gains while they were there.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think they did. They were stuck on Kaio's planet for a while, weren't they? Considering the gains Piccolo made in his brief time there, I'd wager the humans at Kaio's made some decent gains while they were there.

I guess it could be, but sadly they have nothing to prove it.

Even Dr. Gero mistaking Yamcha for Goku isn't really much of any evidence. Considering he thought Goku was past his peak age-wise anyway and that he wasn't going to get much stronger anymore.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Tenshinhan has a reaction feat almost ok part with base Goku in the same panel. Tenshinhan would one shot.

Yamcha is harder to gauge though I'd say he'd win. Then again, #20 wasn't surprised by base Goku's pl so Yamcha also one shots

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Tenshinhan has a reaction feat almost ok part with base Goku in the same panel. Tenshinhan would one shot.

Yamcha is harder to gauge though I'd say he'd win. Then again, #20 wasn't surprised by base Goku's pl so Yamcha also one shots

#20 said Goku far surpassed his estimation. He just was nonchalant about it, because he thought he could still win.

Also isn't it implied in the same Saga that humans are fodder to normal Saiyans?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I think they did. They were stuck on Kaio's planet for a while, weren't they? Considering the gains Piccolo made in his brief time there, I'd wager the humans at Kaio's made some decent gains while they were there.

I guess it could be, but sadly they have nothing to prove it.

Even Dr. Gero mistaking Yamcha for Goku isn't really much of any evidence. Considering he thought Goku was past his peak age-wise anyway and that he wasn't going to get much stronger anymore.

Gero also knew that Goku walked around with a suppressed power level of 5000 or something, so there is not even real proof Yamcha
ever surpassed Nappa.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think they did. They were stuck on Kaio's planet for a while, weren't they? Considering the gains Piccolo made in his brief time there, I'd wager the humans at Kaio's made some decent gains while they were there.

I guess it could be, but sadly they have nothing to prove it.

Even Dr. Gero mistaking Yamcha for Goku isn't really much of any evidence. Considering he thought Goku was past his peak age-wise anyway and that he wasn't going to get much stronger anymore.

Gero also knew that Goku walked around with a suppressed power level of 5000 or something, so there is not even real proof Yamcha
ever surpassed Nappa.

That doesn't necessarily have to mean Goku always suppressed himself to 5,000. I think as long as they see someone that's well above a normal human they'd have noticed. Maybe all Yamcha really needs to be is above Piccolo from that saga (he could be well above though), since he thought there was almost certainty it was Goku. Or maybe he just thought that because Yamcha kind-of looks the most similar to Goku out of the humans.

 

[Six Trails]

I take the filler of the humans fighting the Ginyu Force on Kaio's at face value, so by the time of the Android arc, I have all of the humans (besides maybe Chaozu) stronger than all of the Ginyu Force at the least. That is just my opinion, though. There's no other evidence to accurately gauge their strength, so it is actually quite possible that Yamcha is below Saiyan saga Vegeta.

 

[Papasmurf]

Knowing Toriyama's general writing style of giving the same training Goku got last arc to the human characters and making them stronger faster (Karin, Kami/Popo), I'd think he at least surpassed Saiyan arc levels of power although anything past that is pure conjecture.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Android Arc Tenshinhan/Yamcha can be anywhere from below Nappa to above SSJ Alternate Trunks.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Tenshinhan has a reaction feat almost ok part with base Goku in the same panel. Tenshinhan would one shot.

Yamcha is harder to gauge though I'd say he'd win. Then again, #20 wasn't surprised by base Goku's pl so Yamcha also one shots

#20 said Goku far surpassed his estimation. He just was nonchalant about it, because he thought he could still win.

Also isn't it implied in the same Saga that humans are fodder to normal Saiyans?

I don't remember either of those tbh lol

 

[Tapion]

Gero believed that he could possibly take out Vegeta if he absorbed the energy of Tenshinhan, Krillin, Suppressed Piccolo and company, which is extremely hard to believe if they're any lower than the low millions. At this point in the series, any human can probably kick Saiyan Saga Vegeta's head off his body without any effort.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Even if the humans surpassed 1st Form Freeza it wouldn't make them any more relevant, so I can see why people'd have them above Saiyan Saga Vegeta. But like said here, there's nothing concrete.

I think Dr. Gero's calculations could have been just off, like they had been for most of the time. Vegeta told Piccolo not to get his energy absorbed, so Full-Power Piccolo's power being absorbed could have been a problem, but I don't know about the humans, especially considering Normal Saiyans >>> Humans is implied.

 

[Tapion]

Even if the humans surpassed 1st Form Freeza it wouldn't make them any more relevant, so I can see why people'd have them above Saiyan Saga Vegeta. But like said here, there's nothing concrete.

I think Dr. Gero's calculations could have been just off, like they had been for most of the time. Vegeta told Piccolo not to get his energy absorbed, so Full-Power Piccolo's power being absorbed could have been a problem, but I don't know about the humans, especially considering Normal Saiyans >>> Humans is implied.

Let's say that Vegeta is a 1 and that Gero is a 1000 and that the humans are 0.80. 1000 + 0.80 + 0.80 + whatever Piccolo's energy had at the time. Do you think Gero's calculations would've been off the point where he thought that absorbing the energy of 3 guys with a power level of less than 18,000(Tenshinhan, Krillin and Gohan) would help him against SSJ Vegeta?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Even if the humans surpassed 1st Form Freeza it wouldn't make them any more relevant, so I can see why people'd have them above Saiyan Saga Vegeta. But like said here, there's nothing concrete.

I think Dr. Gero's calculations could have been just off, like they had been for most of the time. Vegeta told Piccolo not to get his energy absorbed, so Full-Power Piccolo's power being absorbed could have been a problem, but I don't know about the humans, especially considering Normal Saiyans >>> Humans is implied.

Let's say that Vegeta is a 1 and that Gero is a 1000 and that the humans are 0.80. 1000 + 0.80 + 0.80 + whatever Piccolo's energy had at the time. Do you think Gero's calculations would've been off the point where he thought that absorbing the energy of 3 guys with a power level of less than 18,000(Tenshinhan, Krillin and Gohan) would help him against SSJ Vegeta?

Well he seemed quite desparate, so who knows. It's not like he had much of an option on who's energy he could absorb.

 

[Jerk Store]

Yamcha can't surpass that dick!

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Humans + Suppressed Piccolo + 20 = Stronger than SSj Vegeta

Humans > 50% Freeza

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

Yamcha is at least a million otherwise he would have never rolled out of bed for the androids. He actually survived too, which for Yamcha is miraculous.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Never in the million years. Boo can train him if he wants too.

 

[ahill1]

I like Papasmurf's reasoning. Yamcha always went for the same route of training as Goku and surpassed him

Trained with Roshi - surpassed Goku (post Roshi)
Trained with Kami - surpassed Goku (post Kami)

So I'd believe after the train with Kaio-sama, he also surpassed Goku after the same train, even factoring the Kaioken Goku has and Yamcha lacks, because fuck you lol. Adding 3 years of train to the androids and he should be way stronger than Saiyan saga Vegeta imo.