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Fantastische Hure

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i think i had seen this point raised before some-where-else & i think i think that's interesting, do u think wsj's strictness and way of choosing which series can stay in the magazine make that harder to create good series, if u can & want to answer??? for example as was specifically pointed-out i think, there's no point of slowly building-up a series or fore-shadowing because iirc u only have 10 weeks or so, and if the series doesn't gain popularity until then, they might end the series i think i think. so seemingly every week there has to be an exciting chapter because other-wise the series might soon end i think i think.

death-note & some-others might be an exception i think.

full-metal-alchemist didn't run in weekly-shonen-jump i think and that's 1 of the most well-received series i think.
 

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Yes. There's a reason why everything in that magazine is dogshit.
 

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To an extent, yes. Shonen Jump (and all manga publishers, for that matter) operate pretty much on the ad populum fallacy of appealing to the majority rather than focusing on quality, leading to very few manga that can remain entirely coherent under such a schedule. As you brought up FMA, Arakawa's decision to let the original anime go its own way whilst she took more time to examine and develop her characters shows the restrictive nature of the manga industry.
That's not to say many series can't work around this nature. Whilst DB had plenty of flaws, it was able to remain a lot more coherent than a lot of other Jump series of similar length thanks to Toriyama's improvisational nature and only choosing to flesh out plot points that he either intended to make relevant or if he could use them for later inspirations (eg. the many things pointing towards Goku's alien physiology despite him not having thought of it until the end of the Piccolo Daimao Arc). JoJo's Bizarre Adventure also found a way to avoid huge pitfalls despite its length through its nature of each part having a new protagonist and setting to avoid continuity having to become too meticulous. By comparison, the series that try to have a big plan or try to add too much on in between the planned beginning and end ultimately tend to shoot themselves in the foot. One Piece has become a lot less consistent since the timeskip with how Busoshoku Haki and its physical colouration now just being a thing despite not appearing once amongst the veterans at Marineford and the constantly widening gap in power between certain characters and the top tiers which make a lot of things in Part 1 very shaky to say the least (Luffy being treat as a danger to the Shichibukai for beating Lucci, Mihawk finding such interest in Zoro, etc.) and it's quite telling when he initially only planned for the story to go on 5 years.
When it comes to most manga, be it in Jump or elsewhere, the best route to maintaining a consistent story seems to be having a simplistic set up for your story's start and fully exploring whatever ideas you have for its grand scale once you've gotten past the initial phase of publication. There's also, of course, the option of only bringing your work up to your planned ending and not bending to milking it further. Whilst Assassination Classroom was a mediocre at best series, I've got to give the mangaka some respect for ending the series on his terms rather than extending it through huge contrivances.

Fantastische Hure said:
full-metal-alchemist didn't run in weekly-shonen-jump i think and that's 1 of the most well-received series i think.
Correct. It ran in Monthly Shonen Gangan
 

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whilst that's true i think. i think from wot i heard wsj is much more strict abt that & ends a series normally if that's not popular right-off the bat i think i think.
 

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Pretty sure a lot of manga magazines have similar policies (eg. Keijo being cancelled in Shonen Sunday and forced to have a rushed ending). Even in Jump, the series is still given a few weeks to wrap up once its cancellation has been confirmed (eg. Bleach being allowed to go on towards its epilogue significantly after Jump confirmed they were pulling it from their line up).
 

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ye, but i heard wsj is normally much more stricter & even only normally gives series 10 weeks to become popular or end that i think. other magazines don't seem to be as harsh i think, because wsj's strictness ("cut-throat" if u can call that i think) seems to be pointed-out a-lot when that comes to wsj.
 

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Shonen Sunday is probably the worst magazine when it comes to keeping once-popular (and quality) series on life support for as long as physically possible. Inuyasha could've ended by volume 36 if it weren't for Sunday's editorial pressure forcing it to go 20 volumes longer, Conan is past 1000 chapters and keeps going despite none of the important Black Organization members being defeated or killed yet, and so on. Dunno about Shonen Magazine as the only series I enjoyed from it was GTO, but even with that one it went somewhat downhill towards the end.
 

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isn't detective-conan going-on because the author wants to keep that going? i think the only time i read he wanted to end the series (other than the original plan of-course i think) was just before the 1st movie came-out because of some reason iirc i think i think.

u didn't like ashita no joe? (if u can & want to answer) :king :king :king
 

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Meh, forgot about Joe because it was serialized like 50 years ago. Even then I didn't enjoy it as much as some others did. As for Conan, at this point Conan is the glue that keeps the sinking ship that is Shonen Sunday together, so Gosho couldn't end it quickly if he wanted to. I give it 8 years minimum before Conan concludes.
 

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Fantastische Hure said:
10 weeks to become popular or end that i think
I think they should be given 1 week I think. I think.
 

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Most series with strong stories and slower setup aren't going to be in Shonen Jump to begin with. The magazine caters to the most popular of a certain genre to a certain demographic.
 

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