Do you believe Tambourine is many times higher than Cymbal?

[Fantastische Hure]

It's out-right said so by Piccolo-Daimao.

The only thing for a-lot of people, I think is that, that'd mean Goku is many times higher than Kuririn from the 22nd Tenkaichi-Budokai, too. Which they might think makes Kuririn too low compared to Goku and what the tournament impied and that Yajirobe called Cymbal strong, but that can be explained anyway.

As for Kuririn, I think since we weren't given any specifics to how Kuririn compares to Goku, this just makes it clear how he does compare to him, so no reason to not believe it in my opinion.

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[Animelover5487]

Many times doesn't have to literally mean "many". I think being 2-3x stronger is enough to be considered many times over someone, especially when the gap needed for a stomp or one shot is only 1.2-1.5x. So yeah I have Tambourine two times Cymbal which I feel is perfect, Krillin and Yamcha were on par with Goku's initial Match Level so they weren't downright fodder compared to him.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Many times doesn't have to literally mean "many". I think being 2-3x stronger is enough to be considered many times over someone, especially when the gap needed for a stomp or one shot is only 1.2-1.5x. So yeah I have Tambourine two times Cymbal which I feel is perfect, Krillin and Yamcha were on par with Goku's initial Match Level so they weren't downright fodder compared to him.

Technically you are right, but still something seems off to me.

 

[Animelover5487]

Many times doesn't have to literally mean "many". I think being 2-3x stronger is enough to be considered many times over someone, especially when the gap needed for a stomp or one shot is only 1.2-1.5x. So yeah I have Tambourine two times Cymbal which I feel is perfect, Krillin and Yamcha were on par with Goku's initial Match Level so they weren't downright fodder compared to him.

Technically you are right, but still something seems off to me.

What is off to you?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Many times doesn't have to literally mean "many". I think being 2-3x stronger is enough to be considered many times over someone, especially when the gap needed for a stomp or one shot is only 1.2-1.5x. So yeah I have Tambourine two times Cymbal which I feel is perfect, Krillin and Yamcha were on par with Goku's initial Match Level so they weren't downright fodder compared to him.

Technically you are right, but still something seems off to me.

What is off to you?

I just thought of something, can't put my finger on it, though. I'm not sure, but I think you're right, especially on Kuririn and Yamcha being on-par with Initial Goku.

 

[sei'taer]

The 22nd implies a large gap between goku and kuririn though. Kuririn was fairly equal to goku at his initial match level power, then he got serious and kuririn wasn't a match anymore. Then he had his whole battle level of power above that.

And then if you take the implication that goku got stronger after recovering (assuming AT thought that far ahead, hah)...

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The 22nd implies a large gap between goku and kuririn though. Kuririn was fairly equal to goku at his initial match level power, then he got serious and kuririn wasn't a match anymore. Then he had his whole battle level of power above that.

And then if you take the implication that goku got stronger after recovering (assuming AT thought that far ahead, hah)...

It did, but was it really as big as it was implied in the Piccolo-Daimao Saga (Many times)? Even-though @Animelover5487 did say something that seemed reasonable.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku is noted to get stronger after Muscle Tower, so an early prototype of the "zenkai" concept isn't so far-fetched in my opinion. (Unless for some reason fighting for like 2 hours is equivalent to a lot of training...) The Saiyan concept was more or less expanded from the transformation Goku showcased early in the series and his concept of being a battle junkie that gets continually stronger by fighting strong foes, so it isn't like Toriyama didn't already depict the traits before.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku is noted to get stronger after Muscle Tower, so an early prototype of the "zenkai" concept isn't so far-fetched in my opinion. (Unless for some reason fighting for like 2 hours is equivalent to a lot of training...) The Saiyan concept was more or less expanded from the transformation Goku showcased early in the series and his concept of being a battle junkie that gets continually stronger by fighting strong foes, so it isn't like Toriyama didn't already depict the traits before.

True, that was out-right stated and another one was implied another time, IIRC.

 

[sei'taer]

The 22nd implies a large gap between goku and kuririn though. Kuririn was fairly equal to goku at his initial match level power, then he got serious and kuririn wasn't a match anymore. Then he had his whole battle level of power above that.

And then if you take the implication that goku got stronger after recovering (assuming AT thought that far ahead, hah)...

It did, but was it really as big as it was implied in the Piccolo-Daimao Saga (Many times)? Even-though @Animelover5487 did say something that seemed reasonable.

It could easily be many times. Kuririn was killed with no effort by Tambourine, and goku killed tambourine without much effort.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The 22nd implies a large gap between goku and kuririn though. Kuririn was fairly equal to goku at his initial match level power, then he got serious and kuririn wasn't a match anymore. Then he had his whole battle level of power above that.

And then if you take the implication that goku got stronger after recovering (assuming AT thought that far ahead, hah)...

It did, but was it really as big as it was implied in the Piccolo-Daimao Saga (Many times)? Even-though @Animelover5487 did say something that seemed reasonable.

It could easily be many times. Kuririn was killed with no effort by Tambourine, and goku killed tambourine without much effort.

That's what I said, Piccolo-Daimao Saga proves the gap is huge, even more.