Do you think Zarbon and Dodoria could defeat Vegeta?

[Evil Vegeta]

Another one of those things that always seemed 100% based on the fact that Freeza said it. Freeza doesn't think 24k is too much for the duo if they were to fight together, but they don't seem to give an opinion on the matter.

Vegeta seems to think otherwise:

The only one he wants to avoid is Freeza.

So which assessment do you go along with?

 

[SSJ2]

I dunno. I've always read Vegeta's statement as if he can handle them individually. Freeza seemed pretty confident that they'd be able to beat him together, so I don't have a problem believing him.

Is the quote the same in Japanese?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I'm actually not sure. It isn't in the Strength Checker.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

In Steve Simmons' translation of the anime, Vegeta's statement was "Even if I were careless enough to get close to them, I might be able to take Zarbon or Dodoria", with "or" being more accurate than "and" in terms of the script Horikawa was given to read at least. That said, it seems pretty apparent Vegeta was only planning on taking Zarbon and Dodoria individually, not together, and wasn't even 100% sure of that yet.

 

[ahill1]

I agree with CC here. Even if the "and" was used, I don't think it inherently implies he'd be taking out both at the same time. If he can take Zarbon and Dodoria individually, I think that it makes sense to say Zarbon and Dodoria, even if they fighting together is still beyond his reach.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Zarbon got ragdolled and Dodoria was one shoted, so hell no.

 

[The_Authority]

Um... Zarbon could have actually killed Vegeta before he got his power boost from that first Zarbon fight. If Zarbon wasn't stupid and made sure that Vegeta was dead, then this wouldn't have even been an issue. After all, all of this speculation is coming from an analysis of Vegeta's power before he fought Zarbon. If that's the case, Zarbon could have taken him out on his own -- and almost did.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Not Monster Zarbon. We know he was above Vegeta. Talking about regular pretty boy Zarbon.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I see it both ways.

Dodoria and Zarbon both looked quite pathetic in battle. It's a bit hard imagining their fighting ability improving just by fighting as a team, unless they're just that much better as a team. Freeza seemed to be looking at it specifically from a numbers standpoint. Dodoria was still in denial about Vegeta's power level and got overpowered after throwing some half-assed attacks out. Zarbon resisted better than Dodoria, but he still got trashed.

Now on the other hand, Vegeta's reaction after blowing Dodoria to pieces is interesting:

Defeating Dodoria was a big deal, so it seems like he might've been expecting it to not be as easy as it ended up. Knowing this, it's kinda hard imagining him being confident in taking them on at the same time.

Zarbon was shocked to learn that Vegeta was able to take Dodoria out, too:

This is one of the fights I would've liked to have seen. Maybe Zarbon and Dodoria wouldn't have looked so bad because they would've knew they didn't have to fight alone.

 

[The_Authority]

Not Monster Zarbon. We know he was above Vegeta. Talking about regular pretty boy Zarbon.

I feel you. I guess I just don't understand when people differentiate. Why would Zarbon not transform into his monster form? That's his maximum power. To me, that's like saying "If Goku doesn't use ki attacks, could he win?" It's like why wouldn't he?

Sorry, my fault.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Why would Zarbon not transform into his monster form?

Because of his narcissism. It's something he only uses as a last resort, so I doubt Freeza would be speaking of it during the statement. If he were, he'd have just said Zarbon's full power would be enough to take down Vegeta.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Not Monster Zarbon. We know he was above Vegeta. Talking about regular pretty boy Zarbon.

I feel you. I guess I just don't understand when people differentiate. Why would Zarbon not transform into his monster form? That's his maximum power. To me, that's like saying "If Goku doesn't use ki attacks, could he win?" It's like why wouldn't he?

Sorry, my fault.

No need to apologize my man.

On top of what CC said, Freeza was like, "Oh, so I guess you had to transform to take Vegeta down?", almost as if he knew that was the only other way he'd be able to stop Vegeta without being paired with Dodoria. Had Freeza considered the transformation from the beginning, Dodoria fighting alongside Zarbon to win would've been unnecessary.

 

[Victorious]

Goku and Piccolo beat Raditz so yeah Handsome Zarbon and Dodo dird are definitely beating Vegeta.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku and Piccolo would've lost without Gohan's help tho.

 

[Victorious]

True, but they also had a chance to beat him when Goku had his tail..Goku let go like a moron.

 

[ahill1]

But they made clear their only shot of winning would be through Piccolo's heavily amplified attack, since it was shown they were absolutely no match in hand to hand. On top of that, they had to explore Raditz's weakness -- tail -- considering he was still too fast to be hit by the Makankosappo. There were a lot of factors that built the path to the victory. I don't think that's too much comparable with Dodo + Zarbon vs 24k Vegeta personally, although I still think the pair would win.

 

[The_Authority]

Okay, let me re-adjust my answer then.

Well first of all, if I recall, Zarbon was questioning if the Scouter was broken when it read Vegeta's battle power. Maybe that's why he questioned Vegeta defeating Dodoria in Chapter "68." It's also possible that Zarbon is not saying that he doesn't believe that Vegeta could defeat Dodoria, but perhaps he thought Vegeta was just bluffing to get under Zarbon's skin, kind of like he can't believe it. If someone tells you, "Hey, I killed my dog," you might respond with, "No way! I don't believe it!" not because he can't, but because you just don't believe it.

As for Freeza, I think that he'd know Zarbon and Dodoria's battle powers, so when he says that they can defeat Vegeta together, he probably means just that. When Vegeta says that he can defeat Zarbon and Dodoria, I don't think he's talking about them together, but using it as a list of people that he can beat individually.

I'll take Freeza's statement over the others mainly because Freeza's is direct, clear, and concise, while the rest is us just speculating by picking apart he language and using our own thoughts on what is meant.

 

[Tapion]

I think Zarbon and Dodoria could defeat Vegeta when together. We generally accept the hypothesis that Dodoria's youki dropped when fighting Vegeta, so the fight would be more like two Zarbons vs. one Vegeta, and since Zarbon was keeping up with Vegeta (albeit BARELY), i think they have a good shot at winning this.