Does Goku's line mean 1.8 million > 2nd Form Freeza?

[Fantastische Hure]

Something about even if Goku comes in time he might not be able to do anything anymore about 3rd form Freeza. He might have been worst case scenario been thinking Kaio-Ken x20 so...?

 

[PorchMaster]

I mean, if 1.3 million is stronger than Namek Freeza....

 

[GSM123]

If Goku vs Freeza is at 3 million, then it makes sense for 2nd form Freeza to be below 1.8 million. Though the idea of using Kaioken x20 didn’t come up in his mind until he fought Freeza, so it’s unlikely he’s thinking of it now.

 

[PorchMaster]

Galu has felt Vegeta's power jump from 30,000 to 400-something thousand in one leap so he should have expected some increase from healing.

 

[GSM123]

He said he thought he was at his limits when he left the chamber though.

Ironically, I’ve made some calcs and I actually ended up with 3rd form Freeza at 1.8 million. Guess it fits well enough.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'm sure he didn't count-out a Zenkai but that's an unquantifiable. He can't really say other than he'll get much higher.

withheld, yeah he only thought of Kaio-Ken x20 against Freeza when he fought him however that also shows that he didn't have a problem with going x20 if need be. That was after his Zenkai too.

 

[ahill1]

He said he "may" not be able to do anything, so if you think Goku thought he wouldn't be getting any gains, you could even take that to mean 3rd form Freeza is around 1,800,000 ~shrugs~

 

[PorchMaster]

He said he thought he was at his limits when he left the chamber though.

Even Krillin thought Goku once healed would be an asset against someone stronger than 3rd form Freeza, though. And it's hard to rationalize Goku settling for 90k being his limit when Vegeta was in the hundreds of thousands.

 

[sei'taer]

There's really no way to fit the statements made, the different fighters and their power ups, and the 3,000,000 number.

 

[ahill1]

Chapter: 306 (DBZ 112), P12.2
Context: after he fully heals
Goku: “I’ve gotten strong! My power just keeps gushing forth…! Unbelievable…! And here I thought I was already about at my limits…This is enough to scare even me..."

Goku stated he thought he was "about" his limits, not exactly at his limits. So there may be some wiggle room for an improvement that Goku might have been accounting on. Surely a projected 2~3x increase would be insignificant enough to warrant an "about my limits" in face of a 33x (at least) one.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I wouldn't say the statement means much. After all, Goku never even thought of trying to resort to x20 until Freeza started using 50% and only hypothesised he'd be able to use x10 after the gravity training, so it's most likely he was still treating x10 as his limit. Of course, you could use his Zenkai and him being almost at his limits to make a chain of 3rd form Freeza ~ Kaioken x10 Zenkai Goku (estimated) > 2nd form Freeza. I severely doubt 2nd form Freeza reached the 1.5mil mark so, as ahill said, there is some wiggle room.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kuririn said Goku could help but Vegeta shot that down saying he already reached as high as he could or something and Goku's later comment seems to also go hand-in-hand with that.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I wouldn't say the statement means much. After all, Goku never even thought of trying to resort to x20 until Freeza started using 50% and only hypothesised he'd be able to use x10 after the gravity training, so it's most likely he was still treating x10 as his limit. Of course, you could use his Zenkai and him being almost at his limits to make a chain of 3rd form Freeza ~ Kaioken x10 Zenkai Goku (estimated) > 2nd form Freeza. I severely doubt 2nd form Freeza reached the 1.5mil mark so, as ahill said, there is some wiggle room.

Yeah but Goku thought about using a x20 against 50% Freeza after his Zenkai though. After his Zenkai the thought probably didn't cross his thoughts because he already thought he had enough power as is to defeat Freeza but prior to that...

 

[PorchMaster]

Kuririn said Goku could help but Vegeta shot that down saying he already reached as high as he could or something and Goku's later comment seems to also go hand-in-hand with that.

Vegeta was just delusional, though. He cited Galu being a low class Saiyan as a reason for that being his limit when rank obviously means nothing.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He didn't really have anything that could go against his believe that Goku already reached his limit though. After-all just one Zenkai brought Vegeta from being nothing to Goku to being way above him.

 

[PorchMaster]

True, but that could also be indication that Galu's next increase could be just about anything.