DRAGON BALL UNIVERSE HEAVEN OR HELL?

[VampireWicked]

Here's something I thought would be interesting.
Since there's a few that claim the title of debater & would rather argue than increase a better understanding for the material, why not argue for one of the choices.


Frieza & Broly has been defeated & died yet their soul has been sent to King Yemma to be judged but only one can be Irredeemable & sent to hell & one can only be sent to heaven for Reincarnation.

You play lawyer pick one (Cannot Switch/Be clear of who you choose) & Defend your choice by building a strong case/argument for them & against the other.

Clients are:
Broly of The Legendary Super Saiyan, & Second Coming movies.
Frieza DragonBall Z to Before The Tournament Of Power in DragonBall Super.

Vote after cases/arguments are made for who goes where.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If this was post-ToP Freeza, it'd be more difficult to decide when defending the universe usually gives someone a free pass as seen with Vegeta in the Boo Arc. Since it isn't that Freeza though, I'd argue firmly that Broly is the lesser evil.

Firstly, we must take into account mental stability. When Broly ravaged the Southern Quadrant, he was in a somewhat berserk state as we can deduce from how he acted in his SSJ form when fighting both Goku and Vegeta as well as flashbacks. Yes, his LSSJ self seems to be quite sadistic and of free thought, though that's a different case and his confirmed kill count in that state only numbers several people at best. This counts double for his M10 self who seemed to have completely lost his sanity. Meanwhile, Freeza's numerous genocides and enslavement of entire races were premeditated and entirely of his own will.
On the subject of death tolls, Freeza has a far greater known kill count. Yes, Broly destroyed a large portion of a galaxy, but we have no idea on how much of it had inhabited planets with sentient life. On the other hand, we have a firm understanding that Freeza's death toll through both first-hand actions and his orders is at least in the thousands based on Toriyama stating the Saiyan population peaked at around 1,000 or so, at least 107 Namekians and an unknown yet significant amount of other races from the Freeza Force having actively disposed of planetary inhabitants for over 20 years. Furthermore, the severity of some of the individual lives Freeza took is worth noting, with him having personally killed Earth's former God (Piccolo).

 

[VampireWicked]

We need more people lol.

If this was post-ToP Freeza, it'd be more difficult to decide when defending the universe usually gives someone a free pass as seen with Vegeta in the Boo Arc. Since it isn't that Freeza though, I'd argue firmly that Broly is the lesser evil.

Firstly, we must take into account mental stability. When Broly ravaged the Southern Quadrant, he was in a somewhat berserk state as we can deduce from how he acted in his SSJ form when fighting both Goku and Vegeta as well as flashbacks. Yes, his LSSJ self seems to be quite sadistic and of free thought, though that's a different case and his confirmed kill count in that state only numbers several people at best. This counts double for his M10 self who seemed to have completely lost his sanity. Meanwhile, Freeza's numerous genocides and enslavement of entire races were premeditated and entirely of his own will.
On the subject of death tolls, Freeza has a far greater known kill count. Yes, Broly destroyed a large portion of a galaxy, but we have no idea on how much of it had inhabited planets with sentient life. On the other hand, we have a firm understanding that Freeza's death toll through both first-hand actions and his orders is at least in the thousands based on Toriyama stating the Saiyan population peaked at around 1,000 or so, at least 107 Namekians and an unknown yet significant amount of other races from the Freeza Force having actively disposed of planetary inhabitants for over 20 years. Furthermore, the severity of some of the individual lives Freeza took is worth noting, with him having personally killed Earth's former God (Piccolo).

Okay, you're arguing that Broly's state of mind is effected by his Transformations.
Since Saiyan Transformations are multipliers that multiply what's already there, wouldn't it be easier to assume that Broly is just ravenous & insane in base?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Okay, you're arguing that Broly's state of mind is effected by his Transformations.
Since Saiyan Transformations are multipliers that multiply what's already there, wouldn't it be easier to assume that Broly is just ravenous & insane in base?

That could be the case if we were shown Base Broly acting in such a way, but what we see of him is quite the opposite. One could argue he was suppressing his true tendencies, but that doesn't hold up when comparing how he said "father" in a compassionate way once reverting from his Super Saiyan transformation when taking Paragus' eye and how he cruelly crushed his father to death as a LSSJ. There, an argument could be made that his feelings for Paragus changed over time, though this would be mainly due to Paragus' harsh treatment to Broly's mental health if so.
Meanwhile, whilst Freeza is pampered and enabled by Cold, his actions aren't controlled or fully influenced by his father, as seen by him governing all the decisions he had over the Freeza Force by himself whilst his father mainly stayed in the shadows of retirement.

 

[VampireWicked]

Okay, you're arguing that Broly's state of mind is effected by his Transformations.
Since Saiyan Transformations are multipliers that multiply what's already there, wouldn't it be easier to assume that Broly is just ravenous & insane in base?

That could be the case if we were shown Base Broly acting in such a way, but what we see of him is quite the opposite. One could argue he was suppressing his true tendencies, but that doesn't hold up when comparing how he said "father" in a compassionate way once reverting from his Super Saiyan transformation when taking Paragus' eye and how he cruelly crushed his father to death as a LSSJ. There, an argument could be made that his feelings for Paragus changed over time, though this would be mainly due to Paragus' harsh treatment to Broly's mental health if so.
Meanwhile, whilst Freeza is pampered and enabled by Cold, his actions aren't controlled or fully influenced by his father, as seen by him governing all the decisions he had over the Freeza Force by himself whilst his father mainly stayed in the shadows of retirement.

True but that one instance of Base Broly saying "father" in a compassionate voice could be one case of compassion which isn't much of a baseline for his state of mind.

Why did King Vegeta try to kill Broly as a baby?
Could it be he felt threatened of Broly's power.
That makes no sense especially given that the entire Saiyan race was under the tyranny of Frieza, why would King Vegeta want to destroy a Saiyan Power that could possibly one day free them from that oppressive power.
It can be said King Vegeta knew Broly was more of a threat to the Saiyan race, maybe the universe then Frieza himself.

That moment of compassion shown could be for his father & his father alone as Broly (Baby Broly)did save him from the destruction of their home planet showing he had a sense of attachment to his father at the time.

Yet even though it was his father who set him lose letting him rampage on the galaxy, that's when his father saw what King Vegeta did see in Broly & realized suppressing would be his chance to keep Broly's insane rage & anger under control.

It was attempt made by his father to suppress him which sent him over the edge causing Broly to want to server ties with him.