So to you: smile = not full effort?
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In this case? Not so much the smile but the leisurely expression is really key here. To be able to damage Krillin so much with so little effort signifies a tremendous gap.
Imagine Blue going all out with his full power? Krillin would be way more damaged, and he’s already nearly put down in one shot.
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Nah, #1 rule of fight club, never underestimate Jon Jones in a fight
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In stand up? I mean, he’s certainly not the favorite according to the oddsmakers.
Jon ran from Tom for a reason.
Recoome vs Vegeta was 1.33x a gap, unless you disagree, and Recoome did heavy damage while smiling. Blue vs Krillin looks like a similar fight to Recoome vs Vegeta.
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Show me your evidence.
These three fights: Vegeta vs Recoome, Vegeta vs Eighteen, Blue vs Krillin look like the same to me. The stronger opponent has the luxury of toying and still doing heavy damage.
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That's nice. But what I mean by evidence is for you to show me panel by panel exactly the similarities.
Buy me the manga and I'll show you the panels.
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The internet provides ample opportunity to view the manga and screen shot the panels you are talking about. If you are going to be lazy don't bother with the conversation.
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Jon Jones is a killer bro. He is the most talented fighter ever. He's someone who can spend 8 months injured, train like 3 months while Miocic had been training the whole time for him... He goes there with all the pressure still, Miocic said he was in the best shape he could be vs Jon Jones, yet JJ takes him down with an oblique kick feint and later on TKOs Stipe with a spinning hell kick to the ribs with his feet sliding the only place Miocic couldn't shell and it destroys Miocic's ribs in a spinning heel kick that he messaged Topuria the day before saying "I'm gonna KO Miocic with this move", as he's friends with Jon Jones.
His coaches said he knew Trump would be there and in the walk out room warm up, instead of warming up they said he was training the Trump dance for 10 minutes straight, while saying he'd TKO Miocic right at the end of the third round with a spinning kick and dance right after... And that in his second fight in HW, while before, he was coming off a lay off of 3 years, subbed Gane in 3 minutes, then was injured for one year with a shoulder injury, went to fight Miocic out of the shape he wished he was, weighing 235 lbs while Miocic was weighing 247 lbs and totally fit and lean... Imagine breaking Miocic down like that winning every aspect of the fight and finishing with a move he said he would use as pretty much his first fight in HW that went past the second round vs a HW who has fought in HW all his career and has always enjoyed being the underdog and thriving in adversity like Miocic... Stipe even said he was more motivated than ever to fight JJ as he always wanted JJ and ppl counting him out worked well because he said "he loves shutting up ppl"...
He'd fold Tom Aspinall the same way. Tom is quick on his feet, JJ would weather the storm and by round 2 or 3 Tom would be vulnerable, JJ would show his stamina superiority and out grapple, ragdoll him... And go to a crucifix while landing nasty vertical elbows. That JJ right there... If you had put Tom there instead of Miocic, it'd end the same, maybe Tom would last until round 4... But Tom hand speed is generally straight blitzes in straight lines, which has a predictable pattern —> he goes double jab, right cross —> jab again while rushing forwards in linear blitzes. JJ would circle outside, kick him in the solar plexus to sap his stamina, oblique kick his knee to lower his mobility, and if Tom lunges in, as he did vs Blaydes, JJ would clinch... Tom focuses mostly on jiu jitsu, instead of solid takedown defense, like Gane. It's the same as Gane but with quicker hands. He'd be no match for Jon Jones. Not him, not Ngannou. Ngannou is mostly that one power hit using boxing. His takedown defense isn't great either. Tom and Gane have wrestling abilities, but their main game is heavy hands and one hit KO. They don't have that athleticism of varying kicks, or using L movements like Gustafsson, or picking shots like Pereira. They go in linear blitzes... And their wrestling isn't as good as Miocic, who was a D1 wrestler. In MMA, I don't think any HW would stand much of a chance vs Jon Jones.
Like Illia said, "When JJ beats Tom, it'd be the same thing, there'd be another guy. Jon Jones has fought the best of the best his entire career and he got even better after 35 years old. I don't think he ducked anyone, I think he wanted to fight Alex Pereira but he is still the best fighter, so I imagine he just got bored of the game. When you don't have some challenge like in JJ's case, it gets tiring after a while"
Jon Jones even said in his last two HW fights vs Gane and Stipe he didn't feel nervous at all, and that he tried to feel anxious in a potential fight vs Tom, but he was just so confident that he didn't feel that butterflies in his stomach ahead of a great challenge, which was to him a sign that he should hand up the gloves. He even said "I can pop up and do one more fight always, but I don't feel challenged or with that fear I'd usually enjoy, so people might think I met my match, but I know that I could whoop Tom's ass the same way like every other hyped fighter and I'd just feel no gratification when he's just not someone who interest me. I wish he has a good run in HW, but I'm in a place right now that after beating Miocic that way, that I'd be just destroying another up and comer when to me that'd be natural, I'd gain nothing out of it, it'd be just another Cyril Gane. That's the curse of getting to a level in which I don't feel I can be challenged."
Gordon Ryan even said "if JJ stopped, we'd be with him, if he kept fighting we'd be ok too because I, as his friend and training partner of him, know he would win any fight, so at least to me it'd be fun to see him winning again as I know he won't lose to anyone rn. In the time I've been with him I thought of myself as obsessed in jiu jitsu, but Jon is in a new level of obsessiveness... He knows every move, he'd show me some interesting technique that an Asian young fighter used from a promotion I had never ever heard of before... And he doesn't even have a main coach right now, in our gym, he's his main coach, we just offer him advices. At the same time he prepared to fight Miocic, he was also the main striking teacher of a young pro fighter from One who came to train in our gym. And he can be as good of a striking coach as the best striking specialists. He knows everything about MMA, from cage positioning, defense, MMA striking... Ever since he was kicked out of Jackson's gym, we were just partners to help him train, but he doesn't even have a main gym or a coach... he learns mostly by himself and we offer advices. He is better now than when young because he's blessed genetically, but mainly, his fighting IQ is so great that by mastering the ins and outs of MMA, he can compensate loss of athleticism with technique and be an even bigger threat than he was when younger. He's special"
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Stipe was completely washed up bro lol
I never said Tom, Alex, and Ngannou would beat Jon in MMA. I was just saying in a pure stand up fight I suspect all three would be favorited over Jon. Which is a very realistic claim.
I never said Tom, Alex, and Ngannou would beat Jon in MMA. I was just saying in a pure stand up fight I suspect all three would be favorited over Jon. Which is a very realistic claim.
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