Evidence for Gohan's Enraged Boost

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Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5
Context: after Gohan's injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha
Goku: “Go strike with an all-out Kamehameha, like Cell! If you do that, you’ll definitely win! Absolutely!”
Gohan: “B-but, the way I am now…I can only use one arm, and even my ki is already less than half…”
Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Full Power) > Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Half-Power)

Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P10.2
Context: after Gohan fires his Kamehameha
Piccolo: “It no use…! Gohan’s ki is weaker after all…”
Even while in his Ssj2 form Gohan admits to losing half his power and Piccolo confirms it. The only way for Gohan to have won that particular bout is by reaping the benefits of an 'Enraged' multiplier that stacks on his Ssj2 form.


Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P3.2
Context: before Gohan becomes a Super Saiyan 2
Gohan: “Well then, I’ll become one, just like you want, though I don’t know why…To top it off, should I go so far as to become a Super Saiyan that has surpassed the Super Saiyan wall?”
Gohan has shown the ability to willingly turn into a Super Saiyan 2.

However, later in the serialization we're shown that Gohan puts emphasis on the power he he used to defeat Cell. There is a clear distinction between SSj2, which he can acquire willingly, and his anger. Goku SSj2 tells Gohan to get angry like he was when he beat Cell, and he says this after seeing Gohan willingly transform into a SSj2.

Teen Gohan (Enraged) > Teen Gohan SSj2 (Budokai) > Teen Gohan SSj

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P3.1-2
Context: as Gohan remembers Goku’s advice to get angry
Gohan: “I-I am angry…! I’m angry, but…[it’s not] like it was ba-back then…”
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Chapter: 460 (DBZ 266), P10.2-3
Context: after Boo seems to be dead on arrival
Kaioshin: “Goku and Vegeta are probably having a roughly even fight…I’ll pin Babidi down. After that, if you can manage to defeat Dabra, then Babidi’s scheme will be completely wiped out! So then! Now’s the time to get angry, like Goku said! Get angry and show me your true power! Gohan, peace is almost at hand!”
Kaioshin already seen Super Saiyan 2 and this isn't regarded as his true power. His enraged boost is.
Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P2.5, P3.5
Context: Vegeta and Goku talk about Dabra not being so tough
Kaioshin: “Un-unbelievable. Is this ‘Super Saiyan’ thing really this great?...Come to think of it, it was quite hard to stop Son Gohan from moving after he became a Super Saiyan…And even that might not have been his full power…”
Toriyama makes another distinction between Super Saiyan 2 and his enraged power.
Chapter: 461 (DBZ 267), P3.5-7
Context: after Kaioshin says they must run from Boo
Gohan: “…Is that so?...He really does have tremendous ki, but…It doesn’t seem like so much so that there’s nothing I can do…[ ] …If I can only put out all of my true power…”
Gohan already showed the ability to willingly turn into Ssj2 but makes another distinction between that and his true power.

Sheesh! It seems pretty clear to me.

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There is no such thing as Enraged SSJ2, SSJ2 was his rage. Gohan was mainly weakened because of his self doubt
against Cell, as Goku said. When he killed Cell, he just regained his shuki. At Buu Saga, by ''true power'', i think
Gohan meant that, if he got angry enough, he'd go back to his Cell Games level. The power he had lost by slacking
off was probably still somewhere inside him, sleeping.
 

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Of course Gohan had a rage boost in the Cell Games. That was Goku's entire plan, and it was referred to multiple times in the Boo saga.

Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Full Power) > Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Half-Power)
You really didn't need to clarify that lol
 

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Lmao!

I think there is a clear distinction being made in the Boo Saga that places his SSj2 transformation and 'true' power into two separate categories. This has to be a fact since it's stated multiple times and doesn't really leave room for interpretation. Gohan's dormant/sleeping his IS his enraged power.
 

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Checking the thread, Tosh is right.
Daizenshuu makes a clear distinction between:
Enraged Gohan, Gohan. And the manga also seems to support that.

The problem is that Toriyama don't like that tesis so much.
 

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I think it was highly implied at Cell Games that SSJ2 was what Goku was talking about.
Goku was talking about Gohan's signature rage boosts, something that was unique to him...until BoG Vegeta of course. Using rage to transform isn't unique to Gohan, hell Goku himself was the first character in the show to do it. It wouldn't make sense to place all this emphasis on Gohan's unique rage boosts when the pay off is something any Saiyan can do.
 

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Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 willingly. Goku saw this, Kaioshin saw this, Vegeta saw this, everybody saw this. Yet:

a) Goku tells him to get angry like he was against Cell.
b) Kaioshin says Super Saiyan 2 may not of even been his full power.
c) Vegeta Pre-Majin doesn't know what will happen if Gohan goes into a frenzy.

There is a very fine line drawn between Gohan SSj2 and Gohan (Enraged).
 

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