Evil Janemba vs GT Goten (pre Baby)

[Southern Gothic]

Same Goten who fought Baby in the human's body. Who wins?

 

[Six Trails]

Base Goten stomps. I don't think Baby gave Goten that much of a boost.

 

[SSJ2]

Wasn't Baby Goten not thaaaat far away from Gohan? I'd say that's a big boost.

 

[Southern Gothic]

It's debatable how much Gohan was holding back. He didn't seem to get serious until the very end of the fight.

 

[Six Trails]

He wasn't, but I don't think he leagues behind Gohan before being possessed by Baby either. I only have Baby adding his own power onto Goten's (and Gohan's). Vegeta is the only case where I have there being some type of amp.

 

[Southern Gothic]

I personally think there should be a decent gap between Gohan and Goten. Gohan kept training while Goten was stated to have been slacking. Now I know Gohan has issues with keeping power, but I want to reward the fact that he kept working hard.

 

[Six Trails]

I have something like this:

Spoiler

SS3 Goku (Boo): 100
SS Gotenks pre: 125
Evil Boo (@ Lookout): 187.5
Base Gotenks post: 200
Fat Janemba: 200
SS3 Goku (M12): 300
Super Janemba: like 360ish

SS Gotenks post: 10,000
SS2 Gotenks post: 20,000
SS3 Gotenks post: 80,000

Ultimate Gohan: 100,000

GT Gohan (minimum): 100,000

Base Goten-Baby: ~30,000
SS Goten-Baby: ~75,000

Yeah…Baby would've had to make Goten like 83x stronger for this to be a close match for me. I could be lowballing Janemba though.

 

[SSJ2]

Goten closing the gap on Gohan doesn't make much sense based on the Perfect Files.

 

[Six Trails]

Could just be Toei hax. I don't see Goten getting a 1,000x boost from Baby.

 

[Southern Gothic]

I actually quite like those numbers for Baby Goten/Ultimate Gohan (GT) it's close, but far enough to imply Gohan had it under control even in Base Form.

 

[SSJ2]

GT Base Gohan should still be above Base Gohan from the Boo arc. If he trained, I'd say he gained in both forms; Base and SSJ.

 

[Southern Gothic]

He should be way above, especially if Rild is Gohan Boo tier.

 

[SSJ2]

Rild > Gohan Boo, so Base Gohan should be at the absolute minimum on Gotenks Boo's level. Him being equal to Gohan Boo makes more sense to me.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Rild > Gohan Boo, so Base Gohan should be at the absolute minimum on Gotenks Boo's level. Him being equal to Gohan Boo makes more sense to me.

Yeah, this make sense. Considering that the gap between Boohan and Bootenks is similar with Gohan and Gotenks.

 

[Zippy]

Goten stomps

 

[Pyro]

Goten stomps ultra hard. At best, I could put Super Janemba on par with Super Boo. Goten by himself was likely on that level prior to Baby's influence. For me, SSj Goten-Baby was more than half of Base Gohan's power, so subtract Baby's power and there's a noticeable gap between the brothers.