Fight Comparison 2.0

[ahill1]

So, inspired by p123's thread, let's pick up some fights we think look similar dominance level wise. Or it can be a close fight too. You guys could also suggest fights so we can compare it and have an accurate percentile list.
I'll start with one:

Obs: Is it okay to put up a lot of scans? I think it's easier for everyone to follow the convo with scans, but if posting a lot of it is bad, then we can just put up the link.

Tenshinhan [full speed] vs weighted Goku

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Vegeta [24k] vs handsome Zarbon

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Similar level of dominance from both Tenshinhan and Vegeta's part, agreed? Both Goku and Zarbon could somewhat track their opponents movements, but their bodies were too slow to keep up with them. Agreed?

Also, Goku vs Cell could be somewhat similar:

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[p123]

You might as well throw Goku vs Cell in there as well. At least post power up / pre KHH of course. It's not long. Include it.

 

[ahill1]

I personally think Goku vs Cell was less dominant than the other ones. Goku could at least dodge some hits and kick Cell upwards, who admitted Goku was putting up a good fight, imo.

 

[p123]

In Round 1 it's very similar, anyway, don't want to hijack this thread, we can compare those later. Tell me who you think has a bigger lead between these two fights?

 

[ahill1]

I fucked up with the Cell's fight scans. Should be fixed by now.

A question: why do you think Zarbon vs Vegeta, for example, was less dominant than Vegeta vs Recoome or Vegeta vs Kkx3 Goku? Could we see it without the numbers?

 

[Void]

I don't think that Vegeta vs. normal Zarbon is a good comparison to Cell vs. Goku.

 

[ahill1]

Why?

 

[p123]

Ability to recover. Ability to recover from the throw, the ability to bounce back after being hit.

 

[ahill1]

Well, Vegeta didn't sruggle so much in pain until Kkx3 Goku landed a punch in his gut, which seems to generally make the opponent out for a while.

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Which gap? Does 75% sound fair?

 

[p123]

Yep. Krillen and Tien are highly overrated. So is Piccolo.

Yamcha 1300
Krillen 1400
Tien 1500

Something like that. Piccolo 2,000.

The more closely tied the power levels are to fandom and guidebooks, the more they are believed. The numbers given by them here are complete garbage.

 

[p123]

Some of the speed feats shown in Vegeta vs Goku were incredible. Goku is literally stopping and going fully around Vegeta on a couple of occasions. How about in the span of throwing a punch, Goku dodges, flips all the way around behind him and knees him in the back I think. That was an absurd feat.

 

[p123]

Hmmm... Anime does not portray Vegeta as a Super Saiyan when he dies in the Future.

 

[ahill1]

Yep. Krillin and Tien are highly overrated. So is Piccolo.

Yamcha 1300
Krillin 1400
Tien 1500

Something like that. Piccolo 2,000.

The more closely tied the power levels are to fandom and guidebooks, the more they are believed. The numbers given by them here are complete garbage.

Tenshinhan at 1,500? Wow That's the lowest I've seen someone putting him.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Goku reacted better against Tenshinhan than Zarbon did vs Vegeta

Gap size:

Zarbon vs Vegeta > Goku vs Tenshinhan >> Goku vs Cell

These threads are great imo. We should have a gap tier list

 

[Pyro]

TV special did.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Vegeta also said Zarbon was like a statue to him. If I wa to make a list:

TIer 1:

KKx3 Goku vs Vegeta
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Initial SSJ Goku vs #19 / Vegeta vs Zarbon

Tier 2:

Tenshinhan vs weighted Goku

Tier 3:

Cell vs Goku

 

[ahill1]

But Vegeta vs Zarbon is like 88%... so would weighted Goku vs Tenshinhan be like 93%? But Goku said Tenshinhan was a lot faster than before, and before Tenshinhan had the same speed as Goku.

 

[p123]

Hmm now that I remember I think Tien at 1,600 is probably best.

Saibamen 1,200
Yamcha 1,300
Krillen 1,400
Tien 1,600
Piccolo 2,000
Enraged Gohan 2,250
Nappa 2,750

I think that's how it should be more or less. I gotta look into Nappa and Enraged Gohan, but that's pretty good.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

But Vegeta vs Zarbon is like 88%... so would weighted Goku vs Tenshinhan be like 93%? But Goku said Tenshinhan was a lot faster than before, and before Tenshinhan had the same speed as Goku.

I think Toriyammers messed up with Vegeta, Kywi, Dodoria, and base Zarbon gaps imo

I was just going off of what we see rather than actual percentage gaps. The lowest I think Zarbon and Vegeta can go numbers wise is probably 24 vs 20.5

 

[ahill1]

Hmm now that I remember I think Tien at 1,600 is probably best.

Saibamen 1,200
Yamcha 1,300
Krillin 1,400
Tien 1,600
Piccolo 2,000
Enraged Gohan 2,250
Nappa 2,750

I think that's how it should be more or less. I gotta look into Nappa and Enraged Gohan, but that's pretty good.

Is Ten at 1,800 too bad?

I was just going off of what we see rather than actual percentage gaps.

Fair enough. That's probably best and the point of the thread too. Shouldn't have brought that. But it's possible Goku could somewhat see Ten's movements due to his improved reflexes, no? I mean, I don't think the weights would restrict that. Ten even said he is surprised Goku can see him, but his body can't react in time.