Final Burst Cannon Amp

[FeatsofPower]

So we have a couple issues consistency wise here.


We can realistically use a 1.33x amp for Galick Gun and Final Crash and make it work. Assuming that KKx3 Kamehameha has no amp it can work fine.


Vegeta 18,000
~Galick Gun 24,000

KKx3 Goku 24,000
~Kamehameha 24,000

This works out fine.


Vegeta 30,000
~ Final Crash 40,000

Reecome 40,000

This again works out fine.

Also…

This works out fine for when Vegeta is tanked by 2nd Form Freeza as well.

Now this is where it gets tough…


Vegeta 90
Freeza 100
Freeza 135
Final Burst Cannon 150


I feel like this is more or less the power discrepancy here, FBC should surpass Freeza’s power and Freeza should be 1.5x Vegeta or so based on some of the feats he showcased

So what should we do?

I think we should probably keep that 1.33x boost at all costs if possible.

 

[Hector]

I think Freeza momentarily powered up to his No Hands power to kick away that blast.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I think Freeza momentarily powered up to his No Hands power to kick away that blast.

I agree that he did but that’s not what the issue is.

The issue is who has more of an advantage?

Vegeta vs Reecome

Or Vegeta vs Freeza speed up?

 

[Hector]

I agree that he did but that’s not what the issue is.

The issue is who has more of an advantage?

Vegeta vs Reecome

Or Vegeta vs Freeza speed up?

Same advantage?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I’m going with 1.5x and to hell with it. Gaps have always been consistent than blast amps.

How fast is Freeza? That blitz is kinda insane. Vegeta didn’t even see him and he dropped the towel just from that. KKx3 Goku wasn’t doing that.

Who says Freeza powered up to kick the blast? Their reactions? So Recoome powered up to tank Vegeta’s blast too?

Spoiler

Vegeta vs Recoome is already unclear as it is. Comparing to Vegeta vs Freeza won’t lead us nowhere because Recoome chose to take the blast head on. Freeza couldn’t do that unless he wanted to take the whole planet blowing up on his face.

Closest thing we can compare Vegeta vs Recoome to is Goku vs Nappa. Both are tanks who took equal-level blasts head on.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Vegeta vs Recoome is already unclear as it is. Comparing to Vegeta vs Freeza won’t lead us nowhere because Recoome chose to take the blast head on.

Who had better speed feats? Freeza or Reecome?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Who had better speed feats? Freeza or Reecome?

Freeza, but he was trying more. Recoome barely even tries to dodge Vegeta's attacks, he wants Vegeta to throw everything on him. He's even happy when Vegeta sucker punches him. Freeza wants Vegeta's dirty paws away from him.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Freeza, but he was trying more.

Where does it appear Freeza is putting in more effort than Reecome?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

When he dodges him. That’s something Recoome never even tries, which renders both fights incomparable.

We should look for more fights that involve blitzing for comparison. I can’t think of anything with less than 1.5x.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Ignoring fights with multifold gaps:

1. Kuririn & Yamcha vs Jackie
2. Tao vs Tien
3. Kuririn & Yamcha on Goku vs Tien
4. 5k Goku vs Initial Nappa
5. Goku vs Ginyus
6. 3rd form Freeza vs Piccolo
7. SSJ Goku vs 50% Freeza
8. Piccolo vs 20 (20 didn’t see Piccolo attacking, so I imagine he wouldn’t see Piccolo dodging)

Weird to think this is such a rare feat, even if I included fights with bigger gaps there wouldn’t be much more than 10. Or did I miss something?

I think it makes sense for total blitz to be 1.5x gap. That’s when the stronger guy becomes a god.

 

[Kyo]

Ignoring fights with multifold gaps:

1. Kuririn & Yamcha vs Jackie
2. Tao vs Tien
3. Kuririn & Yamcha on Goku vs Tien
4. 5k Goku vs Initial Nappa
5. Goku vs Ginyus
6. 3rd form Freeza vs Piccolo
7. SSJ Goku vs 50% Freeza
8. Piccolo vs 20 (20 didn’t see Piccolo attacking, so I imagine he wouldn’t see Piccolo dodging)

Weird to think this is such a rare feat, even if I included fights with bigger gaps there wouldn’t be much more than 10. Or did I miss something?

I think it makes sense for total blitz to be 1.5x gap. That’s when the stronger guy becomes a god.

ok?

 

[FeatsofPower]

I think it makes sense for total blitz to be 1.5x gap. That’s when the stronger guy becomes a god.

Yeah I like total blitz at 1.5x so are we boosting up Vegeta’s amp here or lowering our expectations

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

ok?

No it’s not okay Kyoukus. Why would you think it’s ok?

Yeah I like total blitz at 1.5x so are we boosting up Vegeta’s amp here or lowering our expectations

Well I’m lowering my expectations. Even if we say fuck it to consistent amp logic, it can only be so high.

It’s as I say, Vegeta is pulling a suicide move here. He doesn’t have to be stronger than Freeza for the blast to go through him. If it lands, it blows up and the planet goes bye. Was the Garlic Gun stronger than KKx3 Goku?

Vegeta: 100
~ FBC: 135-150

Freeza: 100
~ Serious: 150
~ More serious: 165

 

[FeatsofPower]

No it’s not okay Kyoukus. Why would you think it’s ok?



Well I’m lowering my expectations. Even if we say fuck it to consistent amp logic, it can only be so high.

It’s as I say, Vegeta is pulling a suicide move here. He doesn’t have to be stronger than Freeza for the blast to go through him. If it lands, it blows up and the planet goes bye. Was the Garlic Gun stronger than KKx3 Goku?

Vegeta: 100
~ FBC: 135-150

Freeza: 100
~ Serious: 150
~ More serious: 165

Maybe it’s a matter of using his speed and then having power to match the speed increase like others have mentioned.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Maybe it’s a matter of using his speed and then having power to match the speed increase like others have mentioned.

So now you think he can raise his speed without raising his power?

 

[FeatsofPower]

So now you think he can raise his speed without raising his power?

No that’s not what I meant. I mean he can raise his ability without anyone really knowing or feeling his power. I think his power is a bit ambiguous when he’s adjusting his effort, I’m not totally sure…

This is a doozy actually lol

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

No that’s not what I meant. I mean he can raise his ability without anyone really knowing or feeling his power. I think his power is a bit ambiguous when he’s adjusting his effort, I’m not totally sure…

This is a doozy actually lol

Yeah it’s sorta how it goes sometimes. You can see characters go “he’s so strong and so fast” like they’re separate even though they mostly aren’t. Sometimes they’re even surprised by their feats, like how Piccolo keeps shitting himself about Raditz or Nappa. It’s probably the old building analogy “he’s so big I can’t even understand him”.

First they see Freeza is fast, but hey maybe his strength isn’t up there? Or maybe he’s strong, but not THAT strong? And they didn’t even look that hopeful: Vegeta is just trying his final trump card before giving up, and Piccolo is more worried about his own life than Freeza’s.

Hope you get it, I’m not nerfing anyone here, just trying to say it’s simpler than we think.

 

[FeatsofPower]

First they see Freeza is fast, but hey maybe his strength isn’t up there? Or maybe he’s strong, but not THAT strong? And they didn’t even look that hopeful: Vegeta is just trying his final trump card before giving up,

Yeah this is going back to the topic you brought up where everyone is always shocked or surprised by people surviving. Maybe that’s the exact case, not truly knowing the depths of Freeza’s power here.

Much like Reecome who was indeed toying, so they could have cause there.

With Freeza he is so elegantly dismissing Vegeta’s blasts it seems pretty nuts. Unless that was anime filler from what I’m remembering.

So we are going with this then?

Vegeta 90
Freeza 100
Vegeta’s Blast 120
Freeza 135


And Freeza doesn’t increase his power from kicking the blast but shows his true effort at the time?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Vegeta 90
Freeza 100
Vegeta’s Blast 120
Freeza 135

Hit the nail in the head better than I ever could.

Vegeta: 4,800
Freeza: 5,300
Final Burst Cannon: 6,400
Freeza: 7,200

Then warm up Goku is also 7,200 or so? Kaio said Goku = Freeza in this section.

Though I don’t like the idea of Freeza using his initial level when he first met Goku. I thought that level was just for show… but whatever. There’s no power up stated when he kicks the blast, but every other level up is noted by Freeza himself and confirmed by others. He loves to tell people when he’s powering up.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Then warm up Goku is also 7,200 or so? Kaio said Goku = Freeza in this section.

In the anime?

Though I don’t like the idea of Freeza using his initial level when he first met Goku. I thought that level was just for show… but whatever. There’s no power up stated when he kicks the blast, but every other level up is noted by Freeza himself and confirmed by others. He loves to tell people when he’s powering up.

Yeah now I have to rethink this. We fixed the Vegeta situation but now we have to see how this impacts the Goku stuff.

Hmm…

What do you want to try first?

Freeza kicking blast = Initial vs Goku? We have to really dissect the dialogue here.

How does Vegeta know Goku is a Super Saiyan? Wouldn’t it be weird if Vegeta knew Freeza could do more than what he was showing? Or is this not that technical.

This is an elite topic.