First Form Freeza (FnF) vs Anime Kid Boo

[Southern Gothic]

Who wins?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

1st form Freeza is pretty featless and is only implied to be above SS3 Gotenks and maybe Ultimate Gohan, whereas Anime Pure Boo is on SSJ Vegetto's level. Boo oneshots.

 

[Keedounan]

1st form Freeza is pretty featless and is only implied to be above SS3 Gotenks and maybe Ultimate Gohan, whereas Anime Pure Boo is on SSJ Vegetto's level. Boo oneshots.

Did I miss something ?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Did I miss something ?

The power Gohan Boo had when enraged required SSJ Vegetto to put out some actual effort and earn some compliments from him, and Goku states that Anime Pure Boo's power and speed were in a completely different league from all previous Boos.

 

[Keedounan]

Did I miss something ?

The power Gohan Boo had when enraged required SSJ Vegetto to put out some actual effort and earn some compliments from him, and Goku states that Anime Pure Boo's power and speed were in a completely different league from all previous Boos.

Doesn't the anime also include the manga's statement that Vegetto could easily kill Kid Boo ?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Doesn't the anime also include the manga's statement that Vegetto could easily kill Kid Boo ?

They cut it out iirc, plus Kibitoshin's statement regarding using Potara again was made before Goku fought Pure Boo and saw his true power. In the anime, Goku simply says he should've killed Boo when he still had the chance as Vegetto.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

First Form Frieza take the cake. I think I remember Gohan warning Gotenks that Frieza was too much for Gotenks, and Gohan knows Gotenks can go SS3. and since SS3 Gotenks>Kid Buu, Frieza would win. Also Kid Buu is greater than SS Vegito? dawg dawg :1down

 

[Captain Cadaver]

First Form Frieza take the cake. I think I remember Gohan warning Gotenks that Frieza was too much for Gotenks, and Gohan knows Gotenks can go SS3. and since SS3 Gotenks>Kid Buu, Frieza would win. Also Kid Buu is greater than SS Vegito? dawg dawg :1down

This is Anime Pure Boo, who's stated by Goku to be in a completely different league from the other Boos up to that point. This includes the version of Enraged Gohan Boo that Vegetto needed some effort to counter.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

First Form Frieza take the cake. I think I remember Gohan warning Gotenks that Frieza was too much for Gotenks, and Gohan knows Gotenks can go SS3. and since SS3 Gotenks>Kid Buu, Frieza would win. Also Kid Buu is greater than SS Vegito? dawg dawg :1down

This is Anime Pure Boo, who's stated by Goku to be in a completely different league from the other Boos up to that point. This includes the version of Enraged Gohan Boo that Vegetto needed some effort to counter.

So Goku and Vegeta were scared Shitless of Regular Super Buuthat Goku suggested Fusion Dance but were fine without fusion against Kid Buu whom you say is SS Vegito level? mg also here the link to the page where Goku said that. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-muID4uZslGM/V6JNPBfd0TI/AAAAAAAB6CI/VV-QF79F6dcLOqYjSzG6G1HDXsQAtI3JQCHM/s16000/0312-012.png

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So Goku and Vegeta were scared Shitless of Regular Super Buuthat Goku suggested Fusion Dance but were fine without fusion against Kid Buu whom you say is SS Vegito level? mg also here the link to the page where Goku said that. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-muID4uZslGM/V6JNPBfd0TI/AAAAAAAB6CI/VV-QF79F6dcLOqYjSzG6G1HDXsQAtI3JQCHM/s16000/0312-012.png

And in the scenes prior to that, SSJ Goku and Vegeta fought and overpowered versions of Gohan and Gotenks that Goku stated were just as strong as the originals. Anime's version of the Boo Arc is even more of an inconsistent mess than the manga. Doesn't mean we can ignore the chain it presented of retconning said events in an attempt to make Pure Boo and SS3 Goku top tier. The thread also specifies that said version of Pure Boo is being used, not his manga canon self who's indeed undoubtably far below his Evil Boo self.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Don't try to make sense of anything with :toei's logo bro. The legends say someone once tried to make sense of the movies and he turned into a obsessed. Just imagine what the anime can do.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

So Goku and Vegeta were scared Shitless of Regular Super Buuthat Goku suggested Fusion Dance but were fine without fusion against Kid Buu whom you say is SS Vegito level? mg also here the link to the page where Goku said that. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-muID4uZslGM/V6JNPBfd0TI/AAAAAAAB6CI/VV-QF79F6dcLOqYjSzG6G1HDXsQAtI3JQCHM/s16000/0312-012.png

And in the scenes prior to that, SSJ Goku and Vegeta fought and overpowered versions of Gohan and Gotenks that Goku stated were just as strong as the originals. Anime's version of the Boo Arc is even more of an inconsistent mess than the manga. Doesn't mean we can ignore the chain it presented of retconning said events in an attempt to make Pure Boo and SS3 Goku top tier. The thread also specifies that said version of Pure Boo is being used, not his manga canon self who's indeed undoubtably far below his Evil Boo self.

So you're saying if SS3 Goku fought Super Vegito, Goku would be rivaling him? Also show me the statements that say the Buu body versions of Gotenks and Gohan are the same as their real counter parts. The Feats show that the dopple gangers of Gotenks and Gohan struggled to defeat SS Goku and Vegeta. That shows that they aren't the same level as their real counterparts. Are you really suggesting SS Goku and Vegeta>or= to SS3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So you're saying if SS3 Goku fought Super Vegito, Goku would be rivaling him?

By :toei logic, anything's possible. Just look at how #17 went from being stomped by Toppo to proving difficult for Jiren to defeat.
It's an inconsistent mess, that is so, but not something to be ignored. Toei simply retconned their power chain whenever it suited them.

Also show me the statements that say the Buu body versions of Gotenks and Gohan are the same as their real counter parts. The Feats show that the dopple gangers of Gotenks and Gohan struggled to defeat SS Goku and Vegeta. That shows that they aren't the same level as their real counterparts.

http://kissanime.ru/Anime/Dragon-Ball-Z/Episode-274?id=107374&s=beta

Skip to about the 14:10 mark.

Are you really suggesting SS Goku and Vegeta>or= to SS3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan?

Manga-wise, absolutely not. Anime filler-wise, yes for this instance, before being nerfed back down to being below Evil Boo, and then the former getting haxed up to a level where he's above Gohan Boo with SS3. As I already stated, it's apparent that not only is Toei's power chain incredibly inconsistent and full of retcons for the Boo Arc, but the OP is using said haxed version of Pure Boo, otherwise there'd be no point in specifying it was his anime self.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

So you're saying if SS3 Goku fought Super Vegito, Goku would be rivaling him?

By :toei logic, anything's possible. Just look at how #17 went from being stomped by Toppo to proving difficult for Jiren to defeat.
It's an inconsistent mess, that is so, but not something to be ignored. Toei simply retconned their power chain whenever it suited them.

Also show me the statements that say the Buu body versions of Gotenks and Gohan are the same as their real counter parts. The Feats show that the dopple gangers of Gotenks and Gohan struggled to defeat SS Goku and Vegeta. That shows that they aren't the same level as their real counterparts.

http://kissanime.ru/Anime/Dragon-Ball-Z/Episode-274?id=107374&s=beta

Skip to about the 14:10 mark.

Are you really suggesting SS Goku and Vegeta>or= to SS3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan?

Manga-wise, absolutely not. Anime filler-wise, yes for this instance, before being nerfed back down to being below Evil Boo, and then the former getting haxed up to a level where he's above Gohan Boo with SS3. As I already stated, it's apparent that not only is Toei's power chain incredibly inconsistent and full of retcons for the Boo Arc, but the OP is using said haxed version of Pure Boo, otherwise there'd be no point in specifying it was his anime self.

But still Kid Buu being Super Vegito level is too much even for :toei bullshit power scaling. Goku wouldn't fight Kid Buu on his own if he was on par with a Potarra fusion. Goku isn't that much of a dumbass to risk it all(Until Super came along ) Goku would have felt the monster ki and knew that they would have to fuse to defeat Buu. Kid Buu in his anime hax glory should only be stronger than Buuhan since the whole stronger than all the other Buus line. But since I really don't want this thread to derail to another Kid Buu debate, let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

But still Kid Buu being Super Vegito level is too much even for :toei bullshit power scaling. Goku wouldn't fight Kid Buu on his own if he was on par with a Potarra fusion. Goku isn't that much of a dumbass to risk it all(Until Super came along ) Goku would have felt the monster ki and knew that they would have to fuse to defeat Buu. Kid Buu in his anime hax glory should only be stronger than Buuhan since the whole stronger than all the other Buus line. But since I really don't want this thread to derail to another Kid Buu debate, let's just agree to disagree.

The thing is, Pure Boo being somewhat relevant to SSJ Vegetto's level would be unavoidable with the line about him being far superior to the previous Boos, given that this would include the Enraged version of Gohan Boo who was opening up multiple dimensions, who Vegetto had to use noticeable effort to stop and even complimented his power afterwards. Not only that, but Goku was still ready to fight Boo despite an additional piece of anime dialogue of Kibitoshits warning him that this Boo was the strongest Boo, plus even after Goku realised such, he still didn't lack any confidence.
Moreover, in a previous post I mentioned, the line from the manga of Vegetto being able to easily take care of this version of Boo was altered in the anime to Goku lamenting on not having finished off the previous version of Boo when he had the chance to as Vegetto.
All that just means Goku got a Toei hax to such a massive degree. Not too much to take in, considering not only does Movie 13 roll with this idea of SS3 Goku being top tier, but the episode in which Goku kills Boo was even entitled something along the lines of "Son Goku is the strongest after all!".

However, considering you're well aware of :toei's hax inconsistency that can make any character as strong as the plot demands, I concur that there's indeed no reason to drag this out further.

 

[Pocket-God]

Frieza gets destroyed in anything short of his Gold Form.