FPSSJ Goku (Cell Games) vs SSJ Gohan (Boo saga)

[ahill1]

Who wins?

 

[SSJ2]

Goku wins due to Gohan being out of battle shape, but Gohan has a power advantage.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

I have them being near equals last time I looked at my numbers, but I give this to Goku for a slight power advantage and clear skill advantage.

 

[Void]

Gohan has a slight power advantage by my numbers, but it's not enough to make up for the 7 years of rust and inferior skills compared to Goku. Goku wins, but it will still be a tough fight.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Same as SS2 and Paladin said. Gohan's got the power, but not the skill, especially if Goku decides to do a Shunkan Ido Kamehameha.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

I think Gohan fought Dabura as an SSJ2, so I've got his SSJ2 level around Cell Games Vegeta. Goku stomps.

 

[Vertical]

I support the aforementioned "Gohan's slightly stronger but loses to Goku's skill".

 

[ahill1]

I find hard to have even Gohan having a power advantage over this Goku, considering Vegeta stated Cell Games Gohan was far, far better than his Boo saga self. So Gohan SSJ (Cell Games) >>> Gohan SSJ (Boo saga) > Goku SSJ (Cell Games)? This would put the gap between father and son at the Cell Games as huge.

 

[SSJ2]

I think the gap between CG Goku and Gohan is huge.

CG Gohan: 140
Boo Gohan: 110
CG Galu: 100

 

[p123]

I think the gap between Goku and Gohan at the Cell Games is exaggerated due to posters doing too many maths in preparation of how to deal with the Super Saiyan 2 Gap.

In reality, Super Saiyan Goku and Gohan are probably not terribly far apart. If you remove everything else. So I would think Gohan after all these years not training, has probably fallen off more than most are suggesting.

I'm going to go with Gohan being significantly weaker than Goku I'd put him around 85-90% of Goku. He doesn't have a chance against Goku with that kind of gap, but will take a beating to be put down.

It's clearer to me than ever than Gohan did indeed receive a rage boost for his Super Saiyan 2. A better way to put it is that he was able to activate his rage through Super Saiyan 2, he was well trained and he was able to bring forth all of his available power. Super Saiyan 2 was merely the form the rage was manifested in, the true power of his Cell Games power was Super Saiyan 2.

 

[ahill1]

I think the Boo saga makes the gap between Goku and Gohan bigger than it needed to be. Well yeah, Gohan could dodge the same Cell who was 1 or 2 steps above Goku pretty effortlessly, but I honestly don't see it surpassing a 1.33x gap. That is the most I'd go. I think I am going with Boo saga Gohan as CG Goku's equal, due to Vegeta stating BS Gohan <<< CG Gohan. 1.33x gap sounds fine, but I wouldn't go any less than that.

 

[p123]

Agreed. So it's probably something like this...

Goku 220
Vegeta 170
Kid Gohan 130
Goku 100
Teen Gohan 90


Damn, that shit gets big...

 

[ahill1]

Goku and Vegeta are too much ahead of Gohan imo. Piccolo saying "perhaps even greater than Gohan" suggests they are still on a similar plateau.

 

[p123]

Negative, that was for Super Saiyan only. Super Saiyan 2 levels would be this...

Goku 220
Kid Gohan 200
Vegeta 170

I don't like how weak SSJ Teen Gohan is in comparison though, I have to play with that a bit. The bigger the rage boost, the further the Super Saiyans are away

 

[Void]

SS2 Goku - 200
SS2 Kid Gohan - 185
SS2 Pre-Majin Vegeta - 160
SS2 Teen Gohan - 140
SS Teen Gohan - 70
CG SS Goku - 65

 

[p123]

No way is Teen Gohan that close to Vegeta, Vegeta literally is shitting in his mouth and Dabura's at the same time. I think Dabura and Gohan probably can take Vegeta out working together, but I'm not even entirely sure.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, Teen Gohan being ~50% pre Majin Vegeta seems like too much. Since you are going with a rage boost, you can argue that when Vegeta said "far, far better back then" he was referring to enranged Cell Games Gohan. I mean, why not? If that was the level of power he felt, then he would be comparing with that, I doubt Vegeta would be thinking "Well, non enranged SSJ2 Gohan at the CG would be this". So:

Goku SSJ (CG) 100
Gohan SSJ (CG) 125
~SSJ2 + rage 300

Teen Gohan SSJ 110
~SSJ2 (non rage) 220

Goku SSJ (BS) 165
~SSJ2 330

 

[Void]

Vegeta also questions himself being stronger than Gohan prior to the 25th TB, and that's after Vegeta calls him soft and rusty, or whatever. Its still a decent lead over Teen Gohan, who is not only inferior in power but inferior in technique as well.

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta also questions himself being stronger than Gohan prior to the 25th TB, and that's after Vegeta calls him soft and rusty, or whatever. Its still a decent lead over Teen Gohan, who is not only inferior in power but inferior in technique as well.

This was prior to seeing him in action, though. Against Dabra Vegeta was calling him a pathetic little shit.

 

[Void]

And? Goku and Vegeta still seem to expect Gohan to be able to defeat Dabura, even after acknowledging that he is inferior to his CG self.

Gohan is trash.

Anyone else think that Vegeta actually sounds disappointed with Gohan as well?