Franchises with changing casts

Fantastische Hure

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Digimon, Jo-Jo's Bizarre Adventure (I think), Pre-Cure, Yu-Gi-Oh! and to an extent even Pokémon do this.

What do you think of this? Do you think this is a good way of revitalising/refresh a series or do you think this is stupid, because you sometimes you maybe never get to hit the full potential of one of the series.
 

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Also worth adding Gundam, Macross, Kinnikuman and Saint Seiya (when including spinoffs).

Like all things, execution is key to this. If done well, such as in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and Gundam, it's a good way of adding to the scope of the world and justifying the continuation of a franchise (though I wouldn't say this is the case for Gundam's alternative universes which only have Gundam in name and not spirit). For instance, JoJo's main cast are usually completely different in personalities from that of the previous part and each part has their own unique setting and identity (other than Part 8 which is just millennial Part 4) and Gundam's many series of the Universal Century offer quite a good space opera when viewed as a whole (so long as you treat CCA as the cutoff point). In some cases, it can also offer a sense of realism as a story doesn't stop with the death of a certain character. Whilst not an actual franchise and an adaption of a historical epic, I will include Sangokushi as an example with all of it's initial cast having died around 75% of the way through the series' run, yet what they left unfinished in the war of the Three Kingdoms provides enough of a reason to continue it.
Some sequels can also be a good revitalisation. Whilst something such as Boruto is a clear cashgrab due to not learning from the failures of the original series, a next generation sequel can sometimes do justice. For instance, Kinnikuman Nisei did a good job compared to the original by adding a new cast with some clear differences to their predecessors whilst making the ageing cast of the first series far more complex such as Brocken Jr., Sunshine and Ashuraman.

If done poorly, however, it just exists to slap the name of an established franchise onto a product and make money. Yu-Gi-Oh! is very evident of this as after the original manga's run, it was pretty obvious it had become a means for the series to sell new cards rather than improve the story. Same with Pokemon's games and manga when new mechanics constantly get introduced to retcon older events and it took until ORAS to offer any sort of in-universe explanation, as well as Macross' series after the original just existing to sell CDs. Whilst some Saint Seiya spinoffs can be alright such as Episode G adding more focus to the Gold Saints and helping offer some further characterisation to them, the other spinoffs such as Omega, Soul of Gold, Saintia Sho and especially Episode G: Assassin are just poor attempts to cash in on fanservice through new Cloth designs and fanfic-esque battles.

Tl;dr Writing and the necessity of extension in-series are the key to deciding whether or not changing the cast completely is a good idea.
 

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Oh ye, forgot about Gundam. I was actually going to list that as an example too.

It's true that sometimes all series are kept in the same universes, but some series like Yu-Gi-Oh! after 5D's is arguable or even better Digimon only the first two have a definitive link, the third series is like what if like in our world Digimon is just a game or fiction and then they become reality and the fourth is different too. I think that's actually a decent idea as-well if you feel like you've done all you could and exhausted all the ideas you had for the world the story was set in, kind-of rebooting it with an entirely new universe like Digimon.
 

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It can be overdone. When you can't get into the series because the lore is too expansive it tends to be a problem. That's basically why the non-universal century gundam shows exist.
 

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Do you mean there are Gundamn series completely separate from the main-universe?

But there are also series with completely different scenarios.
 

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2kewl4u said:
Do you mean there are Gundamn series completely separate from the main-universe?
There are many Gundam series in completely separate universes (G Gundam, Gundam 00, Gundam SEED, etc.) and can usually stand out from the UC series through drastically different art styles and far more hyperbolic Gundam designs. That said, they're mainly Gundam only in name such many not having the same themes as the original timeline (eg. G Gundam just being a poorly written run of the mill mecha show no different to the immature mecha titles of the 70s Gundam was attempting to avoid becoming).
 

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2kewl4u said:
Do you mean there are Gundamn series completely separate from the main-universe?

But there are also series with completely different scenarios.

The original gundam series and it's sequels (about 4-5 series and tens of OVAs and movies) all take place in the same universe and timeline, but largely feature new protagonists each time with others serving as cameos. Which is exactly the type of thing this topic is about. But there are plenty of universes/timelines that only feature one or two series, dealing with different backstories for earth and our colonization of the solar system. It allows them to experiment with different presentations within the mecha genre while still using the Gundam legacy. It's prevented the series 30+ year history from becoming stale regardless of the quality of individual shows.

I disagree with CC (surprise) that all the non-universal century shows don't have the same themes, as many of the alternate series deal with very similar themes and tropes as the original. The whole spacenoid/colony vs Earth conflict is present in a lot of the series.

G Gundam is shit though and hardly counts as a gundam series, we at least agree on that.
 

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It works for some series and for others, not so much. I actually like the fact that JoJo does this and most of the main characters don't disappear completely, they continually have appearances which is cool too. I think with it being a historical/real world series you really can't not do that though. They do a good job. Yu-Gi-Oh, it should've stayed with gen 1 characters. Gen 2 was good, but after that it sucked.

Is it a fresh start though? Not really, not for JoJo anyways. Well, not until Steel Ball Run.
 

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