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-When Goku returns from Yardrat, everybody treats his power as the one which defeated Freeza, no increase is mentioned. Besides, Goku
himself stated he was focused on learning IT on Yardrat. Therefore Namek Goku~Yardrat Goku.
-It is believed Trunks could easily beat FP Mecha Freeza. But, let's pay closer attention to the statement: ''Come at full power, i'm not soft
like Goku''. I think the message here is: ''I won't give you any chances like Goku, because i don't care about the sport, but only about saving
the planet''. Besides, at this point, even though we still don't know Trunkses identity, the author has given us the feeling that, for whatever
reason, that youth with the sword knows everything about what has happened until now, and therefore about how Freeza power ups as well.
So, is there any reader at this point who would believe that, had Freeza decided to do the power up sequence, Trunks (who had already
declared he's not a good sportman like Goku) would have just sat and waited? No. All in all, the reason the author put that statement was
not to show us that Trunks>>>100% Freeza, but to show us that that youth was ruthless and not joking.
-Present and Future Androids don't really have to be different. When Future Seventeen states he hadn't used even half of his power, i think
that was a way of the author to explain why the Future ones had seemed weaker to Trunks. Otherwise, why did he put that statement there?
To show us how fearsome the Androids were? That was something we knew already. Besides, at that point of the story, we had reached
Cell Games, so why would the author want to just remind us how fearsome opponents who had already been greatly surpassed in the story
used to be?
-Goku doesn't have to have made serious progress over the 3 years; this is implied many times. Goku himself said there is no way to win
unless he discovers something beyond Super Saiyan (mastering the state was also something beyond). Even before that statement, it
was stated by many people in the saga that the Super Saiyan state would be the decisive factor in these battles, not the progress they had
made. All that shows the SSJ state had set up a wall they couldn't break through pre rosat.
-I also don't see how Trunks could have made a great progress over the 3 years or 8 months he'd been waiting for the machine to recharge.
One might say ''but he became over 50x stronger in 3 years, as shown in Lone Warrior''. I say no. First of all, even AT himself admitted
once that Trunks going SSJ after Gohan's death in the tv special was cooler, so he admitted that sparring scene was a mistake. But,
even if you don't want to discard it, remember what Gohan said after the sparring to Trunks: ''you might surpass me in a few months''.
Did Gohan believe Trunks would become 50x+ stronger in a few months? An obvious logical explanation is Trunks couldn't control his
SSJ power well yet. Besides, all we saw was the end of the sparring, we don't know how tired Trunks was, maybe Gohan had started
as SSJ.
-Lastly, Androids also don't have to be hugely stronger than Unmastered SSJs. Vegeta's stamina was mentioned as a factor at his battle
with Eighteen and, even if she wasn't going really all out, she seemed pretty serious. Therefore, i think the ''less that half'' statement
Future Seventeen made does not have to be taken literally from a mathematical point of view. It could be just an exaggeration, like
all those ''manyfold'' statements at Early DB.
All in all, how about these gaps?
Namek Goku- 150
Trunks (debut)- 140
Yardrat Goku- 160
Trunks (post 3 years)- 150
Goku/Vegeta (post 3 years)- 180
Androids- 200
himself stated he was focused on learning IT on Yardrat. Therefore Namek Goku~Yardrat Goku.
-It is believed Trunks could easily beat FP Mecha Freeza. But, let's pay closer attention to the statement: ''Come at full power, i'm not soft
like Goku''. I think the message here is: ''I won't give you any chances like Goku, because i don't care about the sport, but only about saving
the planet''. Besides, at this point, even though we still don't know Trunkses identity, the author has given us the feeling that, for whatever
reason, that youth with the sword knows everything about what has happened until now, and therefore about how Freeza power ups as well.
So, is there any reader at this point who would believe that, had Freeza decided to do the power up sequence, Trunks (who had already
declared he's not a good sportman like Goku) would have just sat and waited? No. All in all, the reason the author put that statement was
not to show us that Trunks>>>100% Freeza, but to show us that that youth was ruthless and not joking.
-Present and Future Androids don't really have to be different. When Future Seventeen states he hadn't used even half of his power, i think
that was a way of the author to explain why the Future ones had seemed weaker to Trunks. Otherwise, why did he put that statement there?
To show us how fearsome the Androids were? That was something we knew already. Besides, at that point of the story, we had reached
Cell Games, so why would the author want to just remind us how fearsome opponents who had already been greatly surpassed in the story
used to be?
-Goku doesn't have to have made serious progress over the 3 years; this is implied many times. Goku himself said there is no way to win
unless he discovers something beyond Super Saiyan (mastering the state was also something beyond). Even before that statement, it
was stated by many people in the saga that the Super Saiyan state would be the decisive factor in these battles, not the progress they had
made. All that shows the SSJ state had set up a wall they couldn't break through pre rosat.
-I also don't see how Trunks could have made a great progress over the 3 years or 8 months he'd been waiting for the machine to recharge.
One might say ''but he became over 50x stronger in 3 years, as shown in Lone Warrior''. I say no. First of all, even AT himself admitted
once that Trunks going SSJ after Gohan's death in the tv special was cooler, so he admitted that sparring scene was a mistake. But,
even if you don't want to discard it, remember what Gohan said after the sparring to Trunks: ''you might surpass me in a few months''.
Did Gohan believe Trunks would become 50x+ stronger in a few months? An obvious logical explanation is Trunks couldn't control his
SSJ power well yet. Besides, all we saw was the end of the sparring, we don't know how tired Trunks was, maybe Gohan had started
as SSJ.
-Lastly, Androids also don't have to be hugely stronger than Unmastered SSJs. Vegeta's stamina was mentioned as a factor at his battle
with Eighteen and, even if she wasn't going really all out, she seemed pretty serious. Therefore, i think the ''less that half'' statement
Future Seventeen made does not have to be taken literally from a mathematical point of view. It could be just an exaggeration, like
all those ''manyfold'' statements at Early DB.
All in all, how about these gaps?
Namek Goku- 150
Trunks (debut)- 140
Yardrat Goku- 160
Trunks (post 3 years)- 150
Goku/Vegeta (post 3 years)- 180
Androids- 200
