Freeza's 2nd form PL

[withheldforprivacy]

I decided when he said ''over one million'' he was referring to the form's max. Here's why:
It was only after Freeza went 3rd form when Goku said he might not beat Freeza. Goku's max at this point is 900 thousand (barring 20x
kaioken, which Goku hadn't even considered using yet). I know Goku probably took a possible zenkai after his healing into consideration
when he made that statement. But. Zenkais are like rolling dices. You can't predict what you'll get. Therefore, Goku wouldn't believe he's
got this in the bag against 2nd Form Freeza if the latter had a max PL of way above 1m. His max being 1m works perfectly with Goku's
statement, because 1m is not greatly above 900k, so Goku believed that, even with a moderate zenkai, he'd have no problem.
All in all, i think AT had the max power of Freeza's current form when he put that statement.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

If you look at the context Frieza was talking about his current power and he made another power up later which surpass his current power [1M].

 

[sei'taer]

Unless he was lying furiza is over a million before he powers up in form 2.

 

[Zippy]

He literally said if you were to put his power in bp it would be over 1,000,000 no hidden power implied imo.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, I think he was initially already over a million:

2nd form Freeza (initial) : 1,060,000
~powered up : 1,200,000
~full power : 1,400,000

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Yeah, I think he was initially already over a million:

2nd form Freeza (initial) : 1,060,000
~powered up : 1,200,000
~full power : 1,400,000

can you still fit Goku's 3 million with that?

 

[kriss-]

Yeah, I think he was initially already over a million:

2nd form Freeza (initial) : 1,060,000
~powered up : 1,200,000
~full power : 1,400,000

can you still fit Goku's 3 million with that?

Piccolo
-Full Power 1,600,000

3rd form Freeza
-Full Power 2,000,000

4th Form Freeza
-Initial 2,400,000

Vegeta
-Full Power 2,500,000

Goku
-Full Power 3,000,000

It's simple.

 

[Tapion]

The fact that Goku easily deflected all Freeza's blasts with one hand proves the fact that Goku is light years above Vegeta here. 3,000,000 ain't getting shit, perhaps 4,000,000 but not 3,000,000

 

[kriss-]

<-Insert fan made gaps here ->

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, I think he was initially already over a million:

2nd form Freeza (initial) : 1,060,000
~powered up : 1,200,000
~full power : 1,400,000

can you still fit Goku's 3 million with that?

Yeah, let's see:

Piccolo - 1,500,000

3rd form Freeza - 1,850,000

Vegeta (Zenkai) - 2,400,000

Final form Freeza - 2,400,000
-speed up - 3,250,000

Goku - 3,000,000


I'm probably nerfing a bit the gap between Piccolo and 3rd form Freeza, but I feel the latter should be considerably weaker than post Zenkai Vegeta.

But the 3,000,000 number for Goku is a impossibility if you consider Goku did not use his full power until he fought against Freeza without hands. I'd have something like this:

Piccolo - 1,500,000
3rd form Freeza - 2,000,000
Initial true form Freeza - 3,000,000
Vegeta - 3,000,000
Goku (warming up) - 4,300,000
Freeza (speedup) - 4,500,000
Goku base (full power) - 5,400,000
Freeza (w/o hands) - 6,000,000

 

[kriss-]

It's only an impossibility because you're making it one.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I forgot Goku wasn't at full-power when he arrived.

 

[ahill1]

It's only an impossibility because you're making it one.

What? Goku was initially warming up against Freeza. Only when Freeza begun to fight without hands Goku showed his true power in base. You could argue that was a Kaioken, but he hadn't a Kaioken aura according to the full colors.

 

[sei'taer]

Goku's aura in that whole section is consistently inconsistent to hide the fact he was using kaio-ken or even accurately show when he began to use it.

As for the power levels themselves, one shouldn't limit themselves to trying to force 3,000,000 for goku. Anymore than you should try forcing yourself to use 4,000 for nappa. There's just simply not enough space to realistically fit all the various powers between furiza's "over a million" and goku's 3 million.

If furiza is over a million, and then powers up to even stronger than that, and piccolo is stronger still and then furiza transforms. Form 3 is such a gap from piccolo that he can't even track his movements, and then vegeta is probably even stronger, and then form 4 furiza and goku are stronger still. I really can't fit all those levels and gaps into 2 million.

 

[ahill1]

If Goku didn't use a Kaioken aura, he wasn't using the Kaioken. The Kaioken aura was always consistently drawn. If the full colors showed Goku without a Kaioken aura, I'm going to go with it.

Freeza (without hands) > Goku base (full power) > Freeza (warming up) >= Goku base (warming up).

 

[sei'taer]

If Goku didn't use a Kaioken aura, he wasn't using the Kaioken. The Kaioken aura was always consistently drawn. If the full colors showed Goku without a Kaioken aura, I'm going to go with it.

Freeza (without hands) > Goku base (full power) > Freeza (warming up) >= Goku base (warming up).

I'm talking about how his aura isn't shown regardless. He's literally shown flying towards furiza with the aura and then the entire fight sequence has no aura. He only shows an aura twice before Kaio reveals he's already using kaio-ken x 10.

If the color spread is correct and his first aura isn't kaio-ken than it means that didn't start using the kaio-ken at all until furiza went to 50%. Which means base goku was stronger than furiza (serious, no hands).

 

[ahill1]

Goku base wasn't stronger than Freeza without hands. He only took the advantage because Freeza was fighting without hands. Freeza did better against Goku than Trunks (w/o hands) did against Goten.