Future SSJ Vegeta vs Mecha Freeza

[xmysticgohanx]

Why is SSJ Vegeta considered to be stronger

 

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Namek Goku- 300
Mecha Freeza- 320
Alternate Trunks- 480
1 Armed Alternate Gohan- 450
40% Alternate Seventeen- 400
2 Armed Alternate Gohan- 360
Alternate Vegeta- 330

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Why does future ssj vegeta have to be stronger than Namek goku?The gap between Namek goku and Namek Vegeta was massive.Future vegeta doesnt have to be stronger than goku to become a super saiyan

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Vegeta implied that the SSJ form was the only thing creating a gap between he and Goku iirc.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't think Future Vegeta ever achieved SSJ, but if going by the anime version that did he'd likely be piss weak imo. Manga SSJ Future Vegeta would rape Freeza though.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Vegeta implied that the SSJ form was the only thing creating a gap between he and Goku iirc.

Where?

 

[SSJ2]

"Don't think you don't need us just because you became a Super Saiyan... I will beat you sooner or later... I will prove again that I'm the strongest of the Saiyans..."

 

[Captain Cadaver]

^That. Vegeta wouldn't say that if he wasn't at least in range of Base Goku's power.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Krillin, at Android Arc, also said ''not everyone here is a Super Saiyan''. Does that mean SSJ is what seperated the tiers
and Humans~Base Saiyans?

 

[Void]

^That. Vegeta wouldn't say that if he wasn't at least in range of Base Goku's power.

Is that before or after he knows he has 3 years to train?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Pretty sure it was afterwards, as Goku didn't get any time to talk to anyone but Trunks in between showing SSJ and Piccolo explaining the situation. However, I don't see how that would affect Vegeta's current acknowledgement when Goku would be training equally hard as to not die and achieving SSJ wasn't guaranteed for Vegeta.

 

[Six Trails]

Vegeta could just think that he would train harder than Goku or would simply get more benefits from his training. I don't really agree that he has to be close to Goku during the Trunks arc.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Well, I wouldn't say extremely close, though to have some kind of shot at surpassing Goku, he'd be asking a lot if he were still behind what he saw of Goku's power on Namek.

 

[Six Trails]

Oh, well I don't disagree with Vegeta > Namek Goku here, I just don't think he has to be close to Base Yardrat Goku.