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This DBM comment from 2012 made me think of you guys, so I have returned to grace you with it. Enjoy.
Dudes. Dudes. It's really simple. Goku's maximum power level pre-SSJ during the fight with Frieza was 3 million. He was just powered down to 10% of that (300,000) and used Kaioken to multiply that powered-down base while Frieza was still playing around. Frieza was doing the same. Given that Goku demonstrated during his fight with Jeice and Burter that he could raise and then lower his power in an instant, so that he was only using a higher level of strength for one moment/attack, and then pushing it back down before scouters could detect it, it's reasonable to assume a much more powerful and experienced fighter like Frieza -- who is also demonstrated to be able to raise and lower his power as-needed -- was sitting at 1% and then just let out bursts as-needed during his fight with Goku. There's no rule stating that just because they're fighting at a certain level MOST of the time they have to STAY there.
Once Goku went to max, Kaioken x20 would still only put up at 60 million, which is half of Frieza's MAXIMUM power (120 million). Frieza could just power up to what he felt was necessary. Overall, though, all we know for sure is their maximum power levels during that fight. We know Goku's power was 3 million maximum. We know he was 150 million in SSJ. We know Frieza's maximum power was 120 million. Most discussions I've seen are A) Attempts to explain away the official numbers as special circumstances to make the arguer's preferred power levels still seem viable; B) Refusing to acknowledge the official numbers due to personal preference, and then citing opinion and conjecture instead of facts; C) Pretending the official numbers aren't official because they aren't in the manga, and then acting as though their preferred numbers are some how more believable when they are in NO officially published sources. I'm unclear on why the numbers are even being debated. They are some of the last official numbers given for the entire DBZ series, and they are laid out in the data books released AND in follow-up sources in Shounen Jump.
The "power jumps" don't need to "make sense" in the way most people are thinking. They have opinions about what the numbers SHOULD be, and when the official numbers don't match those preconceptions they try to find ways to say they don't make sense or aren't valid. Face it: The power levels made sense to Toriyama, and that's really all that matters. It's a shounen manga, where the power scale keeps escalating to higher and more insane levels with every new story line. An artificial system like power levels conflicted with his ability to just tell the story, which is why he got rid of them. Attempting to apply logic to something that we don't know the workings of because we aren't Akira Toriyama and he hasn't explained them is futile. You can feel free to conjecture and argue anyway, but that doesn't make any of it valid.
Dudes. Dudes. It's really simple. Goku's maximum power level pre-SSJ during the fight with Frieza was 3 million. He was just powered down to 10% of that (300,000) and used Kaioken to multiply that powered-down base while Frieza was still playing around. Frieza was doing the same. Given that Goku demonstrated during his fight with Jeice and Burter that he could raise and then lower his power in an instant, so that he was only using a higher level of strength for one moment/attack, and then pushing it back down before scouters could detect it, it's reasonable to assume a much more powerful and experienced fighter like Frieza -- who is also demonstrated to be able to raise and lower his power as-needed -- was sitting at 1% and then just let out bursts as-needed during his fight with Goku. There's no rule stating that just because they're fighting at a certain level MOST of the time they have to STAY there.
Once Goku went to max, Kaioken x20 would still only put up at 60 million, which is half of Frieza's MAXIMUM power (120 million). Frieza could just power up to what he felt was necessary. Overall, though, all we know for sure is their maximum power levels during that fight. We know Goku's power was 3 million maximum. We know he was 150 million in SSJ. We know Frieza's maximum power was 120 million. Most discussions I've seen are A) Attempts to explain away the official numbers as special circumstances to make the arguer's preferred power levels still seem viable; B) Refusing to acknowledge the official numbers due to personal preference, and then citing opinion and conjecture instead of facts; C) Pretending the official numbers aren't official because they aren't in the manga, and then acting as though their preferred numbers are some how more believable when they are in NO officially published sources. I'm unclear on why the numbers are even being debated. They are some of the last official numbers given for the entire DBZ series, and they are laid out in the data books released AND in follow-up sources in Shounen Jump.
The "power jumps" don't need to "make sense" in the way most people are thinking. They have opinions about what the numbers SHOULD be, and when the official numbers don't match those preconceptions they try to find ways to say they don't make sense or aren't valid. Face it: The power levels made sense to Toriyama, and that's really all that matters. It's a shounen manga, where the power scale keeps escalating to higher and more insane levels with every new story line. An artificial system like power levels conflicted with his ability to just tell the story, which is why he got rid of them. Attempting to apply logic to something that we don't know the workings of because we aren't Akira Toriyama and he hasn't explained them is futile. You can feel free to conjecture and argue anyway, but that doesn't make any of it valid.
